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Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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Saffron ranges from $2 - $10 per gram for retail amounts in different parts of the world and less at wholesale. It’s expensive, but nowhere near the price of cocaine.

So... help me understand why it's on the order of $20-30 (or more) in my grocery store or via well-known spice merchants online?

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Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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Years ago, I was convinced that saffron's "taste" was more mental than anything else, so I ran a little matched pairs experiment to see if anyone could taste the difference between a rice dish with saffron or one without. No one could. Admittedly, it was too small of an experiment to be sure, but it just seems like a very expensive food dye to me. I'll just stick to turmeric.

Turmeric and Saffron are completely different.

Turmeric has an earthy taste

Saffron is mostly fragrance/smell. No idea what it tastes like. We use it in rice dishes or sometimes in my turmeric milk drink.

Edit: In other words, to figure out if something has saffron, you smell it.

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When I go to Safeway I can find a handful of saffron threads suspended in a small glass jar for about $23, or I can find a similar thing for $30 at a fancier grocer. Meanwhile, if I go to the nearby independent indian grocery store I can get a cigarette-pack-sized box of the stuff for about ten bucks. While it's definitely not the cheapest spice I don't feel bad about liberally using it in my chai recipe and a box us…

It's a near certainty that what you're buying at the Indian store is fake. Check out these two sources and maybe run a test? https://sadafpack.com/blog/how-can-we-distinguish-original-s... https://motherwouldknow.com/how-to-identify-real-saffron-avo...

They grow it in Eastern Washington: https://cyrussaffron.com/about-us-1. And it is significantly cheaper than the imported stuff.

Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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Could it be fake, adulterated or poisonous somehow?

BS to downvote me for this comment. Cheap olive oil is counterfeit. Cheap milk, honey and coffee are adulterated with fillers. Cheap tumeric is colored with lead oxide

Not always. I've done the color test on a lot of cheap spices I get in the middle eastern stores I can go to and they've always passed the tests. Sometimes it's cheaper because you're not paying for it to be portioned into little glass jars and sold as an exotic, rare thing like it is in western european cuisine.

Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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Here's what I don't get... so here in the US, saffron is generally speaking, extremely expensive and rationed carefully by cooks. Meanwhile, I watch these cooking videos on YouTube and people in villages in places like Azerbaijan are casually throwing the equivalent of $10,000 worth of saffron into their tea. Granted, I understand places like Iran (spoiler alert: not the best relationship with the US) are major produ…

I have a Greek friend who's family goes into the mountains and picks it. There is no market infrastructure in the villages, similar to how venison is expensive at a restaurant, yet poor rural hunters kill and eat it all the time.

Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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I bought some saffron once and made risotto with it, it was ok. Now I have some of the spice leftover, and it's too special and delicate for me to use it for anything, so it just sits in my cabinet.

It's good in black tea.

I'll definitely try that.

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We grow saffron here in N Texas and have for about 3 years now. Last year was our best year for production but that is only because we expanded the number of bulbs that we have planted so our saffron harvest grew in line with that. The first year we ended up with less than a dozen threads total. It is easy to grow. Just stick the bulb about 1" to 1.5" (25 mm - 40 mm) below the surface and water it in. Keep it moist b…

Where to buy the bulb ?

We bought from Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds. [0] They show to be out of stock at the moment. This is probably the best source for rare vegetables, herbs, etc that we have found. Their stuff actually grows too whether you buy a live plant or a package of seeds. Germination rates from seeds we have purchased from BCHS beats similar seeds from other sources like home garden centers all day long.

[0] https://www.rareseeds.com/crocus-saffron-25-bulbs

We have also bought from an online seller through Amazon and had similar results with the bulbs we planted. After our success, several relatives have also bought saffron crocus through BCHS or an Amazon link and will be having their first harvest this growing season. There are some Amazon sellers who still have some available. [1] It will also be pretty widely available in the fall from other heirloom and organic seed and vegetable sources since it is typically planted in fall so it can over-winter outside.

For us it did not matter that we added to our plantings in the spring last year. We had an unusual cold snap that kicked them into gear and the summer was hot and dry. It was great.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/saffron-crocus/s?k=saffron+crocus

Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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Here's what I don't get... so here in the US, saffron is generally speaking, extremely expensive and rationed carefully by cooks. Meanwhile, I watch these cooking videos on YouTube and people in villages in places like Azerbaijan are casually throwing the equivalent of $10,000 worth of saffron into their tea. Granted, I understand places like Iran (spoiler alert: not the best relationship with the US) are major produ…

My parents love watching those videos so I know what you're talking about. There's four factors I think.

One, the quality of the saffron makes a big difference in price. Longer deeper red strands are much more expensive than shorter and more yellow strands. I suspect they are not using the most expensive saffron in their teas.

Two, there's a lot of markup purchasing saffron from most retailers, especially here in the US. You can get that amount of saffron for far less than $10,000 if you know someone who has a connect.

Three, as you said the majority of saffron production is from Iran. Some friends I know are getting their saffron from the UAE but I'm pretty sure its being re-exported from Iran.

Four, those videos are ultimately productions. If you compare the earlier videos to the later videos on some of that channel you can tell they've upgraded their digs. They might just be exaggerating for the camera.

Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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Here's what I don't get... so here in the US, saffron is generally speaking, extremely expensive and rationed carefully by cooks. Meanwhile, I watch these cooking videos on YouTube and people in villages in places like Azerbaijan are casually throwing the equivalent of $10,000 worth of saffron into their tea. Granted, I understand places like Iran (spoiler alert: not the best relationship with the US) are major produ…

I have a Greek friend who's family goes into the mountains and picks it. There is no market infrastructure in the villages, similar to how venison is expensive at a restaurant, yet poor rural hunters kill and eat it all the time.

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Re: Saffron: The Most Expensive Spice

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So... help me understand why it's on the order of $20-30 (or more) in my grocery store or via well-known spice merchants online?

Just guessing that the price varies hugely depending on where in the world you're buying it. I'd expect it to be cheaper the closer you are to a saffron-producing nation. A bit like how, if you're used to how cheap avocados are on the US west coast, you can suffer from sticker shock when buying them on the east side.

Or gasoline being cheaper closer to the refineries so California is farked on cheap gas
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