'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

Post by monocasa » Wed, Apr 03, 2024, 8:29 PM UTC

rightbyte wrote: post #426

How does this system get the input? Are Palestinians using IDF tapped cell towers? Or is it possible to use roaming towers for this? Is e.g. Google or Facebook involved on a mobile OS or app level? Maybe backdoors local to the area? It seems like the whole cell phone infrastructure need to be torn down.

Post by cess11 » Wed, Apr 03, 2024, 8:30 PM UTC

tguvot wrote: post #329

dang wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's why we merged those threads into this one. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : Submitters: " Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Readers might still find it helpful to read both pieces, of course.

972 this is leftist "blog magazine" with questionably sourced material. while there might be some truth to core claim of automated system (which IDF confirmed that exists), rest of claims probably outcome of "broken phone". But everybody will use it as statement of undeniable fact in order to evolve as usual discussion into "genocidal Israel indiscriminately killing civilians in droves and performs ethnic cleaning an…

Post by monocasa » Wed, Apr 03, 2024, 8:32 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #454

jhallenworld wrote: post #399

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I imagine you get to tune the probability window of "person is >90% likely a Hamas terrorist" and choose how many innocent people you kill. Who set the window? "Hamas terrorist" criteria: a male of fighting age, give higher weight to those congregating with others of fighting age. Basically take out a generation of Palestinian men and you're all set. Lovely. >This sentence is horrifically dystopian... "in order to sa…

A war that would only kill 10% civilians would be a massive improvement over any recent conflict.

Post by manquer » Wed, Apr 03, 2024, 8:32 PM UTC

readyplayeremma wrote: post #371

sequoia wrote: post #362

I'm disturbed by the idea that an AI could be used to make decisions that could proactively kill someone. (Presumably computer already make decisions that passively kill people by, for example, navigating a self-driving car.) Though there was a human sign-off in this case, it seems one step away from people being killed by robots with zero human intervention which is about one step away from the plot of Terminator. I…

> B., a senior officer who used Lavender, echoed to +972 and Local Call that in the current war, officers were not required to independently review the AI system’s assessments, in order to save time and enable the mass production of human targets without hindrances. > “Everything was statistical, everything was neat — it was very dry,” B. said. He noted that this lack of supervision was permitted despite internal che…

Post by segasaturn » Wed, Apr 03, 2024, 8:33 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #367

goethes_kind wrote: post #186

Israel's evil keeps taking me by surprise. I guess when people go down the path of dehumanization there are truly no limits to what they are ready to do. But what is even sadder is that the supposedly morally superior western world is entirely bribed and blackmailed to stand behind Israel. And then you have countries like Germany where you get thrown in jail for being upset at Israel.

> And then you have countries like Germany where you get thrown in jail for being upset at Israel. Back in 2002 or so, a friend of mine swore blind that an American had been arrested for wearing a "give whirled peas a chance" T-shirt — which is an anecdotal way of saying: are you sure you've got the full story? I'm learning German by listening to „Langsam Gesprochene Nachrichten“ by Deutsche Welle, and it definitely…