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'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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I suggest everyone listen to the current season of the Serial podcast. >processing masses of data to rapidly identify potential “junior” operatives to target. Four of the sources said that, at one stage early in the war, Lavender listed as many as 37,000 Palestinian men who had been linked by the AI system to Hamas or PIJ. This is really no different than how the world was working in 2001 and choosing who to send to…

> how the world was working in 2001 By the world you mean the US, but yes you are correct. "NSA targets SIM cards for drone strikes, ‘Death by unreliable metadata’" https://www.computerworld.com/article/2475921/whistleblower-...

Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, and Norway were heavily involved in the war on terror. Bombing Afghanistan but also arresting "suspected" people of their own

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Israel's evil keeps taking me by surprise. I guess when people go down the path of dehumanization there are truly no limits to what they are ready to do. But what is even sadder is that the supposedly morally superior western world is entirely bribed and blackmailed to stand behind Israel. And then you have countries like Germany where you get thrown in jail for being upset at Israel.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the now-flagged to death HN thread on the Guardian version [0] I would hope they can be unflagged and merged, this appears to be an important story about a novel use of technology. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39917727

Yes. We've merged that thread hither.

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I know many people won't read past the headline, but please try to. This is the second paragraph: "In addition to talking about their use of the AI system, called Lavender, the intelligence sources claim that Israeli military officials permitted large numbers of Palestinian civilians to be killed, particularly during the early weeks and months of the conflict."

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I’m really not sure why this got flagged. It seemed like a well sourced and technology-focused article. Independent of this particular conflict, such automated decision making has long been viewed as inevitable. If even a small fraction of what is being reported is accurate it is extraordinarily disturbing.

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Getting all these reports about atrocities, I wonder if the conflict in the area has grown more brutal over the decades or if this is just business as usual. I'm in my late 30s, growing up in the EU, the conflict in the region was always present. I don't remember hearing the kind of stories that come to light these days though, indiscriminate killings, food and water being targeted, aid workers being killed. I get th…

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Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Israel's evil keeps taking me by surprise. I guess when people go down the path of dehumanization there are truly no limits to what they are ready to do. But what is even sadder is that the supposedly morally superior western world is entirely bribed and blackmailed to stand behind Israel. And then you have countries like Germany where you get thrown in jail for being upset at Israel.

what do you mean "bribed and blackmailed"?

On AIPAC in the US:

1. “How the Israel lobby moved to quash rising dissent in Congress against Israel’s apartheid regime”

2. “Top Pro-Israel Group Offered Ocasio-Cortez $100,000 Campaign Cash”

3. “Senate Candidate in Michigan Says He Was Offered $20 Million to Challenge Tlaib”

[1]: https://theintercept.com/2023/11/27/israel-democrats-aipac-b...

[2]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-aipac-offer-con...

[3]: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/us/politics/hill-harper-r...

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

guardian references 972 as source for report. it's not like it's "the guardian" article

Yes, that's why we merged those threads into this one. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : Submitters: " Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Readers might still find it helpful to read both pieces, of course.

972 this is leftist "blog magazine" with questionably sourced material. while there might be some truth to core claim of automated system (which IDF confirmed that exists), rest of claims probably outcome of "broken phone". But everybody will use it as statement of undeniable fact in order to evolve as usual discussion into "genocidal Israel indiscriminately killing civilians in droves and performs ethnic cleaning and other countless war crimes" and downvote into oblivion everybody who will disagree with it.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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I'm reminded of [1] a recent Palantir promotional video [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEM5qz__HOU

As a backer on the original Oculus kickstarter, I have such a sinking feeling in my stomach every time this comes up. My money went to enable Luckey to achieve this and I hate myself for it.
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