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'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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AI generated kill lists are sadly inevitable. Had hoped we'd get a few more years before we'd actually see it being deployed. Lots to think about here

They're great because the accountability for fuckups goes on the system, not on the people using the system. "Oops, the system had a bug" doesn't kill careers like "Oops, I made a bad call."

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> It is very convenient to criticize it when you're not in it Israel 'criticised' Hamas for their monstrous attack six months ago, started a war over it. Perhaps you're saying Israel should have just accepted it? You know, perhaps this whole mess Israel is now involved in is a product of its own behaviour, and killing of loads more Palestinians is not likely to bring peace but further hate and evil.

3 downvotes in 16 minutes, well I never! (but oddly no other response)

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Israel's evil keeps taking me by surprise. I guess when people go down the path of dehumanization there are truly no limits to what they are ready to do. But what is even sadder is that the supposedly morally superior western world is entirely bribed and blackmailed to stand behind Israel. And then you have countries like Germany where you get thrown in jail for being upset at Israel.

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Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Years ago, scholars (such as Didier Bigo) have already raised concerns about the targeting of individuals merely based on (indirect) association with a "terrorist" or "criminal". Originally used in the context of surveillance (see Snowden revelations), such systems would target anyone who would be e.g. less than 3-steps away from an identified individual, thereby removing any sense of due process or targeted surveill…

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I am okay with the notion that war is dirty and that Hamas will try to pretend to be civilians or whatever. I have some questions:

- if the weapons always wait for them at target locations, who is transporting the weapons at any given target location and why is that not the focus?

- if we know they try to use infrastructure like hospitals, the IDF clearly knows where Hamas is aiming to shelter in, why not militarily occupy hospitals but then otherwise allow them to run without delay vs sniping anyone who shows up in a window?

- how is it possible the IDF allowed premature babies to die in their incubators once medical staff left a hospital in Gaza (aka unoccupied facility for IDF to sweep through), such that once medical staff returned they were presented with their rotting bodies left untouched in the incubators?

- how were Israeli unarmed civilians waving white t-shirts get mistaken for armed Hamas combatants and shot dead when trying to escape from their capture?

- how did the World Kitchen convoy, which had provided the IDF their route and time and coordinates with clearly labeled trucks, get shot with targeted missiles from above?

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #156

Years ago, scholars (such as Didier Bigo) have already raised concerns about the targeting of individuals merely based on (indirect) association with a "terrorist" or "criminal". Originally used in the context of surveillance (see Snowden revelations), such systems would target anyone who would be e.g. less than 3-steps away from an identified individual, thereby removing any sense of due process or targeted surveill…

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And you can justify any kind of civillian killing and genocide just like this.

Anyone can do anything, lets just target them all.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Already deleted, that was quick. If we can’t trust AI to drive a car, how the hell can we trust it to pick who lives and who dies?

"AI" in this case is probably mostly Oct 6 cell phone locations.

It is obvious that Israel has loosened their targeting requirements, this story points to their internal justifications. The first step in ending this conflict must be to reimpose these standards of self restraint.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of this upsets you vs a baseline understanding of reality? There's often a criticism of the US military doctrine that our weapons are great but are often way more expensive than the thing we shoot them at (as exemplified in our engagement with the Houthis in the Red Sea.) If anything, the quote you pulled sounds like its talking about highly precise weaponry, and it seems to me that the way to minimize the…

I'll answer for the previous post. The most disturbing part is stating main criteria is being a male and their models have 10% error rate.

I don't think you're parsing the article correctly.

There is no allegation that the main criteria for the algorithm is "being male."

The allegation is that the human double-checking of the algorithm confirms the target is male (as opposed to woman/child.)

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

#270

The Guardian has this story on the front page also, they were given details about it pre-publishing, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai... And, personally, I think that stories like this are of public interest - while I won’t ask for it directly, I hope the flag is removed and the discussion can happen.

guardian references 972 as source for report. it's not like it's "the guardian" article
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