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'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

#131

HN has a serious problem if factual technology stories cannot exist here because some people don't like the truth. This should be advertised. The true price of AI is people using computers to make decisions no decent person would. It's not a feature, it's a war crime.

This is not new and dang and the others are absolutely fine with posts getting gang-flagged in a matter of minutes. Just shows how impartial they are.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I would like to know if the AI is deciding to starve the entire population and kill aid workers? It’s a serious question, because the article mentions how AI plays such a crucial role… but where does it end? I know the following question sounds absurd, but they say there’s no such thing as a silly question… Does the AI use regular power to run, or does it run on the tears and blood of combatant 3 year old children -…

> I know the following question sounds absurd, but they say there’s no such thing as a silly question…

People say a lot of things.

Some questions are ill-posed; some bake-in false assumptions.

What you do _after_ you concoct a question is important. Is it worth our time answering?

> Does the AI use regular power to run, or does it run on the tears and blood of combatant 3 year old children - I mean terrorists?

From where I sit, the question above appears to be driven mostly by rhetoric or confusion. I'm interested in reasoning, evidence, and philosophy. I don't see much of that in the question above. There are better questions, such as:

To what degree does a particular AI system have values? To what degree are these values aligned with people's values? And which people are we talking about? How are the values of many people aggregated? And how do we know with confidence that this is so?

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

#133

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Sadly you're right, our US-based peers will flag this into oblivion. Israel are the good guys, read it in a newspaper.

Why do you blame Americans? From my personal point of view, we Europeans are much more supportive of Israel. The streets in western Europe are misleading because western Europe is full of Muslim immigrants and champagne socialists.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

#134
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this them trying to pass blame to the AI for its genocidal ways? No I don’t think so. I didn’t get the impression that is the intent.

How? We both read the same article!

I don't know how to explain "i don't feel like it is that" effectively.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

#138

The Guardian has this story on the front page also, they were given details about it pre-publishing, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai... And, personally, I think that stories like this are of public interest - while I won’t ask for it directly, I hope the flag is removed and the discussion can happen.

This is the now-flagged to death HN thread on the Guardian version [0]

I would hope they can be unflagged and merged, this appears to be an important story about a novel use of technology.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39917727

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