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No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by dartos »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #30
dartos wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe Apple, maybe google, but Amazon? I think the average American is aware of the Amazon warehouse worker conditions (and probably don’t care)

(Shrug) Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will. They pay well, so people elect to put up with BS like lining up off the clock for security screening. Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me.

> Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will

In the US, needing health insurance has kept me at a job against my will and I’m a white collar worker.

> Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me.

It becomes ur beef if Amazon becomes a government entity as OP was saying in their hypothetical.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by red-iron-pine »

zug_zug wrote: post #18

The interesting or perhaps scary question is how many times are news hosts told to drop a topic/story and they go along with it and the public never even knows a topic was dropped? It's worth asking how we can make our systems safer against large corporations shady influence.

> systems safer against large corporations shady influence

unless you're watching state-run / state-sponsored media, which comes with it's own challenges, they're all large corporations.

we'll never know, and those corps have the right to do whatever they want.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by mc32 »

consumer451 wrote: post #33
mc32 wrote: post #27

Apple censoring dissenntjng opinions is bad enough, imagine how bad it could get if the congress got its wish to be able to censor platforms altogether? He should have asked her opinion about that.

Which legislation are you referring to?

In particular HR 7521, which in principle is to censor national security threats, but as every other bill like this, would find a way to apply to everyday Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Fore...

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by ghaff »

shmatt wrote: post #58
knorker wrote: post #51

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Apple is super aggressively swinging their hammer to protect their brand. During a technical talk at a nieche conference, a speaker had an apple logo on a slide, along other logos, to illustrate devices. An Apple employee stood up and shut down the whole presentation, demanding that the presenter, RIGHT NOW, edit the slides to remove the apple logo, or he would not "let" the presentation co…

I mean, does the employee have any power over that room? Sounds like a classic instance for security to kick them out

Without knowing more, it sounds like someone with no authority doing something really unprofessional. (Of course, could have been a VP on a power trip.)

The correct behavior is to go up to the speaker after the talk and tell them that they really should verify that they have permission to use other company's logos before using them in presentations. (Large companies have multiple people who vet references and the use of logos in things like keynotes and customer presentations.)

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by CamperBob2 »

dartos wrote: post #81
CamperBob2 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Shrug) Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will. They pay well, so people elect to put up with BS like lining up off the clock for security screening. Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me.

> Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will In the US, needing health insurance has kept me at a job against my will and I’m a white collar worker. > Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me. It becomes ur beef if Amazon becomes a government entity as OP was saying in their hypothetical.

Sure, but currently, if you want to talk about people being held against their will, only the government can do that.

And no, working at a job you don't like just for the heath insurance coverage does not count as being "held against your will." Check your privilege.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by ghaff »

dartos wrote: post #81
CamperBob2 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Shrug) Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will. They pay well, so people elect to put up with BS like lining up off the clock for security screening. Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me.

> Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will In the US, needing health insurance has kept me at a job against my will and I’m a white collar worker. > Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me. It becomes ur beef if Amazon becomes a government entity as OP was saying in their hypothetical.

I also don't know how common it is but spent the holidays with some friends including an Amazon warehouse worker. They claimed to really like their job and felt they were treated well. Didn't want a desk job so wasn't even interested in being a supervisor. This was in the UK for what it's worth so they have health insurance that's not tied to their job.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by knorker »

ghaff wrote: post #84
shmatt wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, does the employee have any power over that room? Sounds like a classic instance for security to kick them out

Without knowing more, it sounds like someone with no authority doing something really unprofessional. (Of course, could have been a VP on a power trip.) The correct behavior is to go up to the speaker after the talk and tell them that they really should verify that they have permission to use other company's logos before using them in presentations. (Large companies have multiple people who vet references and the use…

Sure. Could have been a rogue jerk. But even then maybe it's not a coincidence that the rogue jerk is from Apple specifically.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by ghaff »

knorker wrote: post #87
ghaff wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without knowing more, it sounds like someone with no authority doing something really unprofessional. (Of course, could have been a VP on a power trip.) The correct behavior is to go up to the speaker after the talk and tell them that they really should verify that they have permission to use other company's logos before using them in presentations. (Large companies have multiple people who vet references and the use…

Sure. Could have been a rogue jerk. But even then maybe it's not a coincidence that the rogue jerk is from Apple specifically.

It wouldn't shock me if people at Apple--including those outside of marketing--are especially drilled in the importance of brand identity and associated do's and don'ts. And if you combine that with someone who doesn't have the best social skills I can absolutely see something like this happening.

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by mmh0000 »

zug_zug wrote: post #18

The interesting or perhaps scary question is how many times are news hosts told to drop a topic/story and they go along with it and the public never even knows a topic was dropped? It's worth asking how we can make our systems safer against large corporations shady influence.

"More alarming, some media companies publish the same fake stories without checking facts first"[1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo

Re: No joke: FTC boss goes on the Daily Show and is told Apple tried to block her

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Post by indigo0086 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #41
bko wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is pretty simple. Make those clauses unenforceable, as well as non compete clauses. You could do it relatively easily without new regulations and fines and all the bs associated with new anti big tech initiatives. Overall I don't think it's a winning proposition for the companies involved. So if they want to have an internal rule that forbids them from hiring people, they're just shooting themselves in the…

These weren't contract clauses; they were direct conspiracy between top execs via email. > One email exchange recounted how Jobs asked Schmidt to stop Google from trying to hire one of Apple's engineers. "I would be very pleased if your recruiting department would stop doing this," Jobs wrote to Schmidt on March 7, 2007.

I'm curious why governments aren't held to this standard of conspiracy the are caught being "very pleased" if private companies did this or that to stifle various freedoms. If JS was honest and a comedian he'd bring something like this up to the FTC rather than give the federal government a nice ego massage.
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