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Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by montgomeryburns »

FreeTheWeb wrote: post #164
throwaway290 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought some teams at Google were dogfooding Angular for many years now?

Wiz is a web framework at google that is abysmal to work with. It’s still living in 2010, it’s all Java backend based, the build times are unbearable, and the templating, Soy, is some Java engineer who loves curly braces too much. It’s a lot of magic and all convoluted, it’s pathetic a company this large has this as their main offering, JSX is a positive move but it’s still lipstick on a pig as it’s not really JSX bu…

Any tips on preparing to work with Wiz as an incoming intern. I heard its identical to Stimulus: https://stimulus.hotwired.dev/

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by montgomeryburns »

danpalmer wrote: post #49
throwaway290 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought some teams at Google were dogfooding Angular for many years now?

Basically all web frontends I've seen here are either Angular or Wiz, depending on latency requirements, or they're some legacy technology that is being moved to Angular or Wiz.

Any tips on preparing to work with Wiz as an incoming intern. I heard its identical to Stimulus: https://stimulus.hotwired.dev/

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by montgomeryburns »

esprehn wrote: post #43
easton wrote: post #5

For people who didn't know: Wiz is apparently a internal framework that Google uses for their apps that wasn't ever open sourced (at least, not completely, based on a quick search). At least they'll be dogfooding Angular now hopefully.

Google uses Angular quite a lot already. Pretty much all internal tools (bug tracker, code review, release tooling etc) is built with it. There's also a number of public facing apps like GCP Cloud Console and the Gemini web app. Wiz has historically favored performance over ergonomics in the extreme. None of it is open source, and to be honest even if it was it's unlikely most people would want to use the mix of Java…

Any tips on preparing to work with Wiz as an incoming intern. I heard its identical to Stimulus: https://stimulus.hotwired.dev/

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by zapzupnz »

troupo wrote: post #149
esprehn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google uses Angular quite a lot already. Pretty much all internal tools (bug tracker, code review, release tooling etc) is built with it. There's also a number of public facing apps like GCP Cloud Console and the Gemini web app. Wiz has historically favored performance over ergonomics in the extreme. None of it is open source, and to be honest even if it was it's unlikely most people would want to use the mix of Java…

> Wiz has historically favored performance over ergonomics in the extreme. This unsubstantiated claim is being paraded around by Googlers all over Twitter. And there's literaly nothing to back up this claim. Have you seen the extreme performance of the websites it apparently powers? Here's Youtube's extreme performance: https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1770911027766370648

The engineers congratulating each other on writing slow, awful bollocks reads like AI-generated NPCs in a real bad video game.

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by Menu_Overview »

troupo wrote: post #149
esprehn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google uses Angular quite a lot already. Pretty much all internal tools (bug tracker, code review, release tooling etc) is built with it. There's also a number of public facing apps like GCP Cloud Console and the Gemini web app. Wiz has historically favored performance over ergonomics in the extreme. None of it is open source, and to be honest even if it was it's unlikely most people would want to use the mix of Java…

> Wiz has historically favored performance over ergonomics in the extreme. This unsubstantiated claim is being paraded around by Googlers all over Twitter. And there's literaly nothing to back up this claim. Have you seen the extreme performance of the websites it apparently powers? Here's Youtube's extreme performance: https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1770911027766370648

Yea, but look at how fast that 11MB loads.

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by renegade-otter »

FreeTheWeb wrote: post #164
throwaway290 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought some teams at Google were dogfooding Angular for many years now?

Wiz is a web framework at google that is abysmal to work with. It’s still living in 2010, it’s all Java backend based, the build times are unbearable, and the templating, Soy, is some Java engineer who loves curly braces too much. It’s a lot of magic and all convoluted, it’s pathetic a company this large has this as their main offering, JSX is a positive move but it’s still lipstick on a pig as it’s not really JSX bu…

> My job skills are languishing at google because I’m writing Wiz and Angular all day

Do people actually spend months prepping for Leetcode interviews to get the job? To improve tech skills? Or is it just the money? ;)

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by dezsiszabi »

LispSporks22 wrote: post #114
ecmascript wrote: post #10

I hate Angular with a passion. It's easily the most verbose, overly complex front end framework I've ever used which just takes the fun out of building web apps and make it a pure pain. I would rather work on a farm and shovel pig shit all day than work in Angular again. My last job forced Angular on me, I quit after a while (not because of solely that reason) but I told them Angular was a bad choice and they chose t…

I’ve hated working on every Angular project I’ve worked on. No matter the team, the experience level or complexity, it’s always been an absolute misery. I cannot understand how it was invented/why it exists, how smart people at Google convinced themselves to use it. I cannot understand how they let it escape into the wild or even why those not forced to use it, choose it. I know I’ve begged before for this, and it’s…

Why did you hate working on every Angular project?
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