Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

Post by archagon » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 6:30 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #153

silverquiet wrote: post #133

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I didn't think about the parallel to the Spruce Goose, but it's a fair comparison. Honestly, it seems to happen to a lot of megalomaniac, ivory-tower type creators - the urge to build something to top their last creation (and for all his faults, Elon does have some really impressive creations behind him). The other example that jumps to mind is George Lucas with the Star Wars prequels.

> The other example that jumps to mind is George Lucas with the Star Wars prequels. These were by far not as bad as some people tend to paint them, the problem with the Star Wars prequels IMHO was more that the "old guard" fanbase tends to be quite the whiny bunch. The sequels are another topic entirely - these were corporate driven projects which isn't a bad sign per se (see the MCU), but unlike the MCU there wasn't…

Post by nunez » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 6:34 PM UTC

hibikir wrote: post #43

I could see this coming weeks ago: My local dealer was cold-calling existing owners to try to get them to buy the updated model 3, which isn't a very significant update at all. They had a bunch on the lot that weren't selling. We can also see the promotion of a free trial for self-driving as a response to this too: Hoping some people bite after trying it out. Whether that happens, or we just see more videos of failed…

Post by archagon » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 6:43 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #115

Setting aside the antics of the CEO, Teslas are increasingly unappealing. I don't want a "yoke", I don't want everything on a touch screen, and I don't want to try to navigate a roundabout using signal buttons on a steering wheel in the winter. I do want CarPlay. A lot of this stuff is blatant cost-cutting with a fig leaf of "it's futuristic".

Post by ahahahahah » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 6:53 PM UTC

ein0p wrote: post #84

epistasis wrote: post #29

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I ask owners of other EV vehicles how they like their car, and >50% of my sample size of ~10 bring up "at least it's not owned by that crazy man" as a big reason as they explain the other deficiencies. (Mostly bad controls, UX, etc. stuff that the Tesla gets right.) I have a Tesla Model 3 right now and it's my favorite car ever, by far, but I also will be unlikely to buy another tesla. It's not the same company as si…

Funny, I'm considering buying our second Tesla (to replace my BMW) because the company _is_ run by Musk. I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say, and find his direct communication style refreshing, even though I disagree with some of his opinions. And that's before we even bring up several other areas where he's successfully doing civilizationally impactful work.

Post by ein0p » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 7:00 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #253

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_Transit_ is not what needs to change first. Infrastructure (stores, schools, daycares, hospitals, offices) needs to change before mass transit is even feasible. And that needs to be built out over an extended period of time, like 15-20 years, to have good coverage. This is particularly hard to grasp for someone who has never lived in Europe, which I have. So we “invest” in mass transit which (at least in my neck of…

> Infrastructure (stores, schools, daycares, hospitals, offices) needs to change before mass transit is even feasible. And that needs to be built out over an extended period of time, like 15-20 years, to have good coverage. It's a chicken and egg problem in the end. A government has it easier to just dump funds for 10-20 years onto public transit subsidies (and provide the guarantee to the third parties you mention t…