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Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Not sure how it will affect things going forward, but the Model 3 may help. Jay Leno did an excellent segment about it a few weeks back, with a pair of Tesla engineers: https://youtu.be/WLMalLy_3JU

Making more Model 3s than Tesla can sell is a big part of the problem. The Model 3 and Y account for 43,000 out of the 46,000 unit overrun.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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"Disastrous" seems like a significant overstatement.

To me this looks more like "unsurprising". Tesla has some additional business lines which might eventually prove quite valuable, but in the short to medium term it is mostly a car company. The whole car industry is dealing with the results of higher interest rates. It would be much more surprising if Tesla somehow turned out to be immune to that.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Interest rates and vehicle prices too high, must come down to expand TAM. Future benchmark rate cuts should improve affordability (most people finance and buy a payment), but Tesla will need to navigate burn rate until central bank pivots.

FWIW they had some insane discounts toward the end of March, to the extent that I'm not sure high prices is the problem. I bought a new long-range AWD Model Y myself a couple weeks ago because between the discounts and tax credits I ended up paying under $40k (would've been around $36k but even after sales tax and fees and stuff it was still only around $39k). At those prices I'm not sure how they aren't selling more…

Elon is toxic and the cars are either exactly the same or worse than they’ve been for years. And then you have the bizarro cyber truck.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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post #28

Interest rates and vehicle prices too high, must come down to expand TAM. Future benchmark rate cuts should improve affordability (most people finance and buy a payment), but Tesla will need to navigate burn rate until central bank pivots.

FWIW they had some insane discounts toward the end of March, to the extent that I'm not sure high prices is the problem. I bought a new long-range AWD Model Y myself a couple weeks ago because between the discounts and tax credits I ended up paying under $40k (would've been around $36k but even after sales tax and fees and stuff it was still only around $39k). At those prices I'm not sure how they aren't selling more…

> At those prices I'm not sure how they aren't selling more cars.

I cannot imagine paying $40K for a car, and I'm sure there are millions like me. You may be optimistic on what you think the average person can afford.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Maybe we're getting to saturation in early adopter market? Looking around, there are a lot of folks who could not easily live with a BEV, i.e. live in apartment buildings or don't have an easy way to install L2 charging at home.

I'm a recent first time buyer of a (used) EV and use the L1 120v charger that came with the vehicle. The daily commute use is low enough that it charges to full overnight.

Before I purchased I thought I'd need to pay for a L2 charger and hire an electrician to install a 240v circuit in the driveway. Turned it that I just needed a short 10ga extension cord from an existing 120v receptacle.

Our household have a second ICE for longer trips.

I live in a house though, not an apartment.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I shared this in my other comment, but there is some support for that notion: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/would-...

great article. i have a tesla -- it is a great car. i regret that elon is such an awful person and i will definitely look elsewhere before buying another. at least as long as he's involved.

I went from assuming that a Tesla would be my next car to assuming that an EV that's not a Tesla will be my next car. All because of Musk.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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i hope elon's behavior is part of the drop in demand. i'm afraid it is mostly economic though.

Or the reality that there is lot more options so people gravitate towards them. And brand loyalty might also be a thing, of which there is lot for also other brands.

The technological gap is tightening, Tesla was alone before, the same way that Nvidia is "alone" for now.

Tesla still has some advance in terms of autopilot (in the US), but for all other things, it's an electric car with a great software but a rather low-quality hardware finish if to compare with other brands like Mercedes.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#59

So trying to establish how to attribute this to: - World wide supply issues (Red Sea) - TSLA specific issues (Strikes, Pay Dispute) - Overall demand for EVs - to this factor, any good benchmarks out there to establish demand?

It's not an under-supply problem that supply chain or unions or demand would cause. It's an over-supply problem. Tesla made 46,000 more cars than it could sell.
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