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The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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I remember in like 4th grade I stabbed myself in the leg with a pencil on accident and snapped a piece of the "lead" off in my leg. My brain spiraled for weeks thinking I had essentially poisoned myself and would be dying shortly. Finally told my parents, who said "okay lets go talk to the doctor" who, very sweetly, told me that little piece of graphite in my leg would cause essentially no harm. It's still there, a l…

I have almost the exact same story. Except my older sister freaked out about me potentially having "lead poison." She called my *nurse* mom at work. Mom said it would be fine and she'd take a look when she got home. Mom was pretty old-school, fwiw :)

I still have the blue dot next to my knee.

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its physical properties are completely different. Graphite and diamonds have completely different physical properties too, yet both are carbon. They didn't think graphite was literally equivalent to lead. They thought it was another form of lead.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. People understandably though graphite and diamonds were different, because they seemed so different. Assuming 2 things are fundamentally different because they differ in all observable properties makes sense. Assuming 2 things are fundamentally the same because they are they same color but in no other way similar really doesn't.

I am not sure that the ideas about substances being fundamentally the same were very well developed at the time. Atomic theory didn't exist. What counted as "fundamental" and "the same" was not very well understood or, I'd eager, even broadly agreed upon. Turning lead into gold was considered a genuine possibility for a long time.

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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I remember in like 4th grade I stabbed myself in the leg with a pencil on accident and snapped a piece of the "lead" off in my leg. My brain spiraled for weeks thinking I had essentially poisoned myself and would be dying shortly. Finally told my parents, who said "okay lets go talk to the doctor" who, very sweetly, told me that little piece of graphite in my leg would cause essentially no harm. It's still there, a l…

Once upon a time I was stabbed in the knee with a pencil. It's still there 30+ years later. Both the knee and the pencil mark. It doesn't hurt at all.

I have a pencil stab wound from grade school as well. Apparently there are many of us pencil stab victims.

The same girl came at me with scissors later on but she wasn't as successful that time.

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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Actually it is misleading as pencil did have lead. Just in the coating and hence if you chew it, as it is used by kids or people like to bite their nail and pencil.

Btw “ The English were not the only ones to make this mistake and in Arabic, Gaelic and German the word for pencils all mean Lead Pen.” so is chinese.

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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Fun fact: Henry David Thoreau's family was active in the pencil-making business in the 1820..1850 timeframe, and Henry D. made several innovations in the art.

https://www.walden.org/what-we-do/library/the-transcendental...

https://www.inventionandtech.com/content/h-d-thoreau-enginee...

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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I remember in like 4th grade I stabbed myself in the leg with a pencil on accident and snapped a piece of the "lead" off in my leg. My brain spiraled for weeks thinking I had essentially poisoned myself and would be dying shortly. Finally told my parents, who said "okay lets go talk to the doctor" who, very sweetly, told me that little piece of graphite in my leg would cause essentially no harm. It's still there, a l…

I've got a blue mark in the palm of my hand from where it was stabbed in maybe 1st or 2nd grade. I don't think I actually left a piece of pencil in there ... I think perhaps the skin was colored grey and just stayed that way?

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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I remember in like 4th grade I stabbed myself in the leg with a pencil on accident and snapped a piece of the "lead" off in my leg. My brain spiraled for weeks thinking I had essentially poisoned myself and would be dying shortly. Finally told my parents, who said "okay lets go talk to the doctor" who, very sweetly, told me that little piece of graphite in my leg would cause essentially no harm. It's still there, a l…

I've got a blue mark in the palm of my hand from where it was stabbed in maybe 1st or 2nd grade. I don't think I actually left a piece of pencil in there ... I think perhaps the skin was colored grey and just stayed that way?

Same but on the back of my hand.

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. People understandably though graphite and diamonds were different, because they seemed so different. Assuming 2 things are fundamentally different because they differ in all observable properties makes sense. Assuming 2 things are fundamentally the same because they are they same color but in no other way similar really doesn't.

I am not sure that the ideas about substances being fundamentally the same were very well developed at the time. Atomic theory didn't exist. What counted as "fundamental" and "the same" was not very well understood or, I'd eager, even broadly agreed upon. Turning lead into gold was considered a genuine possibility for a long time.

> Turning lead into gold was considered a genuine possibility for a long time.

And much later, it was found to be a genuine possibility with terrible economics. Just need a particle accelerator, and a lot of patience.

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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I remember in like 4th grade I stabbed myself in the leg with a pencil on accident and snapped a piece of the "lead" off in my leg. My brain spiraled for weeks thinking I had essentially poisoned myself and would be dying shortly. Finally told my parents, who said "okay lets go talk to the doctor" who, very sweetly, told me that little piece of graphite in my leg would cause essentially no harm. It's still there, a l…

Once upon a time I was stabbed in the knee with a pencil. It's still there 30+ years later. Both the knee and the pencil mark. It doesn't hurt at all.

I’m an outlier in the HN crowd - I was the stabber, not the stabee.

Sorry Ben!

Re: The history of lead pencils and their lack of any lead (2021)

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I remember in like 4th grade I stabbed myself in the leg with a pencil on accident and snapped a piece of the "lead" off in my leg. My brain spiraled for weeks thinking I had essentially poisoned myself and would be dying shortly. Finally told my parents, who said "okay lets go talk to the doctor" who, very sweetly, told me that little piece of graphite in my leg would cause essentially no harm. It's still there, a l…

I too was stabbed in grade school; twice actually, in the same hand. I think both times for pestering girls as they were writing, lol. I guess I deserved it.

Both left visible gray marks under the healed skin...one on a finger and the other in the soft tissue between my thumb and index finger. Years later, in my 30s, I was handling some super strong magnets and felt tugging on the tissue next to my thumb, indeed that magnet was pulling strongly on that piece of embedded graphite. I thought that was strange because either the graphite had impurities of iron in it or my body had accumulated iron around it.

Some years later I would develop random knuckle pain in a couple of the nearby fingers. I was skeptical that this foreign object was to blame...but I convinced a doctor to do some minor in-office surgery to remove it. The doctor made an incision and using forceps tried to find and pull it out. He couldn't find it (which he initially warned me about and suggested ultrasound guidance) and asked me to get out my magnet and pull the object up...his forceps immediately snapped to the magnet, I didn't flinch but was laughing internally. He grabbed the object, which was probably half the size of a sesame seed...much smaller than what he was expecting based on the amount of tissue that was being pulled up by the magnet.

Months would pass and I no longer had pain in those knuckles, that was probably 5 years ago. The other stab mark, which is on a different finger, never caused any issues.

The nurse afterwards said, "I cannot believe you did that." I chuckled.

I can now say that I've assisted in my own surgery ;-)

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