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50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by moldbug »

jbooth wrote: post #88
moldbug wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, of course - I'm glad to be corrected. What I really meant to say was that in 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America, Crackerjack Peckerwood Creek in the deep back asshole of Alabama where no one without a mullet in a Camaro would want to go anyway excepted. (Alas, in 1962 there were no Camaros either.) Trust me, I went to high school in Howard County, Maryland, and I would be the last person…

I really don't understand your contention here. You're claiming that integration ruined Brooklyn? Can you explain the mechanism? I don't see how public housing projects (widely regarded as a failure that cities are transitioning away from) have anything to do with segregation (widely regarded as an moral atrocity). Also, just because there's a lot of black people on the street doesn't mean a neighborhood is dangerous…

You're claiming that integration ruined Brooklyn? Can you explain the mechanism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

If you ever actually talk to anyone who was personally involved in the former, and they're being frank, they'll tell you that a primary concern was a rational fear for their physical safety and/or that of their families. Which adds up to the latter. Why do you think there are no Serbs left in Kosovo, or no Albanians in Mitrovica?

E. Michael Jones's Slaughter of Cities (http://www.amazon.com/The-Slaughter-Cities-Renewal-Cleansing...) is a good overview from a j'accuse perspective. For a mainstream author, read J. Anthony Lukas' Common Ground. Better yet, read them both.

Of course we've digressed into the question of harmful effects (of the civil-rights movement) on white people. My original post was mainly concerned with the effect on black people.

Perhaps you've noticed some cultural changes? Are they for the better? If we could sit down together and watch WSHH for an hour, how exactly would we disagree?

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by moldbug »

dredmorbius wrote: post #89
moldbug wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, enlightened white people. We sure are good at patting ourselves on the back, aren't we? Reality check: in 1962, every American city, north or south, with a substantial black population had a thriving black business district and a commercial middle class. Example: Bronzeville in Chicago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas,_Chicago#Bronzeville Enlightened white people destroyed these worlds and the people who li…

There were certainly no-go zones in America in 1962. Most of them applied if you were black, however (or in the language of the time, "Negro"). But not all. Casablanca (70 years old this year) includes Rick advising the Germans "there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade."

Yes (I accept the correction). See below:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3989048

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by [deleted] »

jbooth wrote: post #88
moldbug wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, of course - I'm glad to be corrected. What I really meant to say was that in 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America, Crackerjack Peckerwood Creek in the deep back asshole of Alabama where no one without a mullet in a Camaro would want to go anyway excepted. (Alas, in 1962 there were no Camaros either.) Trust me, I went to high school in Howard County, Maryland, and I would be the last person…

I really don't understand your contention here. You're claiming that integration ruined Brooklyn? Can you explain the mechanism? I don't see how public housing projects (widely regarded as a failure that cities are transitioning away from) have anything to do with segregation (widely regarded as an moral atrocity). Also, just because there's a lot of black people on the street doesn't mean a neighborhood is dangerous…

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Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by freehunter »

rome wrote: post #73
freehunter wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about: "I don't see any similarity between the two. Gays were trying to obtain equal rights. The right to be a black man and vote is one that no one has, not just black people." Straight people have the right to marry. Gay people don't. Same exact issue. If you're not gay, you by default don't need the right to marry same-sex, just like if you're not black, you don't need the right to be black and vote.

Actually everyone except blacks could vote. Contrary to popular belief, gay people can marry, just not same sex. This isn't a statement against same sex marriage, I'm just making a subtle distinction. Gay people have never experienced the maltreatment that blacks have in this country.

Now I'm wondering if blacks could vote if they dressed up in whiteface and pretended to be white to fool the voter board. You know, denying everything they are. Just like a gay person marrying the opposite sex.

Gays have benefited from the liberalism and civil rights movement in that the majority of the population doesn't hate them for being different. But you can't deny that they're being harrased, beaten, killed, pushed to suicide, thrown from their homes, and subjected to punishments designed to "fix" them. It's doesn't have to be "black had it worse", the point of the matter is gays have it bad.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth since you didn't come out and directly state your viewpoint, I'm just trying to show how fallacious the words you did say are. Especially when we're on the verge of starting things down the right path. Both blacks and gays have been are are being violently persecuted for something they can't change. Telling gays to marry straight is highly offensive.

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by freehunter »

maxerickson wrote: post #67
freehunter wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I'm arguing against your point, but you've made me curious. Is there actual DRM on photos? I know videos, music, games, books... but I haven't heard of a DRM'd picture before. Any insight? Personally, I would predict incompatible formats with no decryption program available. Will Photoshop and .psd still be around in 50 years?

You will almost certainly be able to spin up an emulator and feed it whatever.

To my point (and I guess the point of the DRM issue), that would depend on if you could actually get a copy of Photoshop working. Would Adobe still be running their activation servers? Would any of the cracks still be around? I'm willing to admit I don't know if there are FOSS (or equivalent) .psd software. Maybe GIMP will still be around, if it can open .psd?

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by pbburrell »

megablast wrote: post #51
joshuahedlund wrote: post #16

Note to people who make decisions about content-based websites: Based on previous experiences with these kinds of features on websites, I half expected each picture to be on its own page. If it was, I did not intend to click past the first one. However, in this case I browsed the entire thing, and am much more likely to share this URL with others.

Reminds me of the Boston big Picture, which also has gorgeous photos in such a format.

It's no coincidence. The Atlantic's "In Focus" blog is run by the same person who created The Boston Globe's "Big Picture" blog.

Here's his personal site: http://www.kokogiak.com/index.php

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by maxerickson »

freehunter wrote: post #95
maxerickson wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will almost certainly be able to spin up an emulator and feed it whatever.

To my point (and I guess the point of the DRM issue), that would depend on if you could actually get a copy of Photoshop working. Would Adobe still be running their activation servers? Would any of the cracks still be around? I'm willing to admit I don't know if there are FOSS (or equivalent) .psd software. Maybe GIMP will still be around, if it can open .psd?

Sure, it's an issue. PSD isn't actually all that opaque though (Adobe has published some specifications for it).

I guess most consumer formats are pretty broadly supported by open software, most of the hard to access stuff will be pretty specialized.

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by DanBC »

maxerickson wrote: post #67
freehunter wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I'm arguing against your point, but you've made me curious. Is there actual DRM on photos? I know videos, music, games, books... but I haven't heard of a DRM'd picture before. Any insight? Personally, I would predict incompatible formats with no decryption program available. Will Photoshop and .psd still be around in 50 years?

You will almost certainly be able to spin up an emulator and feed it whatever.

People have learnt from the UK "Doomsday Book" laser disc problem.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Domesday_Project)

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by rmc »

moldbug wrote: post #83
rmc wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America So long as that group kept to their zone. If they go into that zone, then things might happen. Of course the police would take an interest in that group being in that zone, they must be up to no good!

You're right, of course - I'm glad to be corrected. What I really meant to say was that in 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America, Crackerjack Peckerwood Creek in the deep back asshole of Alabama where no one without a mullet in a Camaro would want to go anyway excepted. (Alas, in 1962 there were no Camaros either.) Trust me, I went to high school in Howard County, Maryland, and I would be the last person…

So, basically, the only no-go areas in 60s USA (for african-americas) were in the middle of nowhere where hardly anyone wanted to go, but now-a-days, the people can't go into half of a large, populous city? I think you might have a rosy eyed view of the past…

You know crime in the USA has actually fallen a lot recently?

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by guard-of-terra »

moldbug wrote: post #59
rauljara wrote: post #25

The racism those photos document is startling. Just 50 years ago? Though, in my private high school in Indiana, in 1999 I overheard kids more than once telling n *er jokes. I heard less overtly racists at the school saying things like "Yeah, it would be weird to have a black friend." These were the rich kids who parents owned the local businesses. I have a hard time believing the kids weren't getting it from the pare…

Wow, enlightened white people. We sure are good at patting ourselves on the back, aren't we? Reality check: in 1962, every American city, north or south, with a substantial black population had a thriving black business district and a commercial middle class. Example: Bronzeville in Chicago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas,_Chicago#Bronzeville Enlightened white people destroyed these worlds and the people who li…

You make it seem like it's either-or.

Why don't you consider the option that americans just screwed this good idea up?

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