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And still alcohol is legal despite all proven destruction it causes
So is driving.
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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany
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#172Nice one, Germany! Is there anything blocking the rest of EU from legalizing cannabis in this manner, aside from internal (national) politics? Whenever this topic comes up in our country, it's always met with opposition claiming that it would be against the EU regulations, or international treaties, or some other external blocker that we can't control. These reasons sound like a stall tactic given that a few EU count…
Didn't Germany have a way, way more ambitious plan at the beginning, basically the Canadian model with fully legalized sales, dispensaries etc. only for it to get shot down by the EU? So they backed down and ended up with this halfbaked compromise..
someone surely had that plan, but most stoners are just astonished and glad that something got done
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
How about the horrible smell produced by those who smoke? It's super reckless to expose others to negative side-effects by somebody who can't control themselves and must smoke.
Do you find the smell of cigarettes less offensive? This is obviously a personal preference but personally I find that one much worse, and unlike with tobacco, I've never had to put my clothes in the laundry just because I stood next to a weed smoker for 5 minutes outdoors
Smoking indoors is illegal in most of the EU already. I personally find the smell of cannabis smoke lingers a lot longer than tobacco.
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#174As a small l libertarian, I’m totally fine with any and all drugs being legal provided there is a clause that government doesn’t need to support you if they ruin your life.
it's only ruined w/o the support; which usually is way cheaper than the alternatives.
think "too big to fail"
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#175As a small l libertarian, I’m totally fine with any and all drugs being legal provided there is a clause that government doesn’t need to support you if they ruin your life.
Without regard to the philisophical aspects of the extent of state welfare, such a clause would be unworkable. How could you fairly determine the cause of health issues? If one gets completely drunk, stumbles onto a road and is hit by a car, you could say that intoxication caused the accident. Would you refuse to treat that person's injuries - which are themselves nothing to do with alcohol - due to that? What about if there was a very bad unmarked pothole which caused the person to trip, a hazard that exists regardless of intoxication?
All these questions could be resolved with litigation using many of the same processes that the courts already have. However, I would wager that the state would spend as much additional money on the judiciary as they would simply providing an unconditional paramedic service in the first place! This also applies to financial situations, because it's hard to, say, confidently ascribe the failure of someone's life savings on a supposedly poor choice they made while under the influence of a drug. I personally think it would be inhumane not to provide a safety net, but it would also be considerably cheaper to!
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s been legal since 2018, up here in Canada, and other than extreme amount of cannabis shops in every other block, it’s basically been the same as pre-legalization. People who were into it, still into it. People who didn’t still don’t. Maybe just the people who were curious but didn’t want to try it because it was illegal tried it out and joined either of the camps. I’m not the biggest fan, but as a person who enjo…
Thanks for the report, so basically it removed the legal burden on people and police, no need to hide or buy at secret deals, and no need to arrest them all the time for smoking, is it right ? Are there regulation on the production of cannabis on sale ? concentration and limits in amount of impurities etc ?
Yeah regulated in terms of amount you can grow, sell, how much you can sell at a time, how much you can have in edibles, inside one package and etc. It was very weird in the beginning since the production didn't catch up with the demand, so was very expensive and sounded like quality was sub-par, making the regulars to rely on black market. Now, well, I guess you can still go with black market, but everyone I know that has been dabbling with it for the past 20+ years have switched to legal cannabis.
Keep in mind, nobody would have ever arrested you for smoking cannabis for ages especially in the west coast Canada. Sure it was illegal, but everyone has a friend who has been smoking for years.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who said 'only'? The threat of punishment is not needed to prevent most people from killing, most of the time. But it sure does help in some edge cases!
And what makes you think that there would be no threat of punishment in say, an anti-statist society?
I was responding to the line "if it is only the laws that are keeping people from killing each other, we are in big trouble". My point is that clearly it's not only the laws (and the parent commenter never claimed so), but they do help.
Sure you can replace the current system of laws & law enforcement with something else. (And if you tore down the state, something would certainly fill that power vacuum.) But then you have to grapple with basically all the same problems.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s been legal since 2018, up here in Canada, and other than extreme amount of cannabis shops in every other block, it’s basically been the same as pre-legalization. People who were into it, still into it. People who didn’t still don’t. Maybe just the people who were curious but didn’t want to try it because it was illegal tried it out and joined either of the camps. I’m not the biggest fan, but as a person who enjo…
What about "new" people? If it's legal I would assume more people of new generations of people will try it
What about "new" people? I, personally, don't care if new people try it. It doesn't seem to have extreme societal impact like very hard drugs (fentanyl and etc.) we see in Vancouver. I'm still against those, but for lighter things like cannabis, I'll treat it as alcohol - let others freely enjoy it as long as they're not causing problems for their surroundings. As long as people understand their limits and deal with their addictions, it's not my place to limit people on their consumption behaviours.
And well, I was a kid once as well, and trying alcohol for the first time, drinking with friends, getting into shenanigans. Wouldn't trade those memories for anything. That'll happen whether you want it or not.
Still against smoking in small public places though, as my jacket gets to smell like weed.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it makes sense with the philosophy of german law. It's not illegal to harm yourself. It is not illegal to flee from the police or from prison. But of course there are various crimes surrounding the allowed behaviour.
Hmm, what are the crimes surrounding fleeing, or escaping? Property damage?
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#180I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke). The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on. However, I do support the legal…
I too have never tried cannabis, and I too support legalisation. Not because of the effects it has on the consumer, but because the effects it has on the producer. It depends on where you are, but where I am - the UK - the producers are primarily enslaved. A fact that is rarely talked about. Recently there was a big drug bust. The headlines all described how many dogs were freed - less than twenty. But deep in the ar…
Producers following the laws can not compete with illegal producers on price. So even if you make consumption legal, the illegal networks will remain and become even bigger as the market expands.