50 Years Ago: The World in 1962 • Hacker News Board

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by moldbug » Thu, May 17, 2012, 8:48 PM UTC

jbooth wrote: post #74

moldbug wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, enlightened white people. We sure are good at patting ourselves on the back, aren't we? Reality check: in 1962, every American city, north or south, with a substantial black population had a thriving black business district and a commercial middle class. Example: Bronzeville in Chicago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas,_Chicago#Bronzeville Enlightened white people destroyed these worlds and the people who li…

I can't believe this comment. Segregation and poll taxes were no big deal, right? Things were great for black people back when it was enshrined legal doctrine to treat them as a lower category of people. You want to know why black people vote for the same party every time? Because it's the alternative to your party.

You'll have to cast out that beam in your eye first. Cabrini-Green is no big deal?

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2010/10/end-of-cabrini-gre...

Your choice: grow up without a "right" to vote (not actually a right but a power, and of no direct value to you). Or grow up in Cabrini-Green.

Oh, and my party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism

Democracy is working out pretty much as we always expected. Don't you think? You think your system of government is a success? Oh, please, I can't wait to hear this.

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by jbooth » Thu, May 17, 2012, 8:51 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #80

jbooth wrote: post #79

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Clinton went on Arsenio Hall. He didn't need tokenism. If you want to claim there's no undercurrent of racism in standard Republican messaging, well, I can't prove it to you. Just know that most black people disagree with you. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/22/simpsons-mocks-fox-...

I don't know what that means, but the accomplishments of Powell and Rice stand on their own. It is ludicrous to deem them mere tokens. In fact if Bush was a dumb as the haters say, Condi was to all intents and purposes both the first black and the first female President...

Their accomplishments do stand on their own. You were using them as tokens in the above post, and I called it out. A couple of public figures don't undo an entire culture and electoral strategy.

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by moldbug » Thu, May 17, 2012, 8:54 PM UTC

rmc wrote: post #78

moldbug wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, enlightened white people. We sure are good at patting ourselves on the back, aren't we? Reality check: in 1962, every American city, north or south, with a substantial black population had a thriving black business district and a commercial middle class. Example: Bronzeville in Chicago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas,_Chicago#Bronzeville Enlightened white people destroyed these worlds and the people who li…

In 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America So long as that group kept to their zone. If they go into that zone, then things might happen. Of course the police would take an interest in that group being in that zone, they must be up to no good!

You're right, of course - I'm glad to be corrected.

What I really meant to say was that in 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America, Crackerjack Peckerwood Creek in the deep back asshole of Alabama where no one without a mullet in a Camaro would want to go anyway excepted. (Alas, in 1962 there were no Camaros either.)

Trust me, I went to high school in Howard County, Maryland, and I would be the last person in the world to speak up for the indigenous American peckerwood. However, I also note that there's a big difference between Peckerwood, Alabama being a no-go zone (if your skin is darker than a bad white zinfandel), and half of Brooklyn being a no-go zone (for any sane person regardless of race, color or creed).

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by gaius » Thu, May 17, 2012, 8:56 PM UTC

jbooth wrote: post #82

gaius wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what that means, but the accomplishments of Powell and Rice stand on their own. It is ludicrous to deem them mere tokens. In fact if Bush was a dumb as the haters say, Condi was to all intents and purposes both the first black and the first female President...

Their accomplishments do stand on their own. You were using them as tokens in the above post, and I called it out. A couple of public figures don't undo an entire culture and electoral strategy.

Not at all. Just demonstrating the falseness of the assertion that Republicans don't represent or respect blacks.

Once again: The world is not as simple as that.

Oh, and while I am here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to both the anti-slavery Republicans (GOP)

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by canadiancreed » Thu, May 17, 2012, 9:01 PM UTC

mindrag wrote: post #54

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #34

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Why would you expect, or demand, it to not be US centric? I, for one, would not. But "The World" in the title seems unwarranted. Just as it does for many "World Series" that only apply to the US, even if everybody deems American teams of sport X to be clearly above the rest.

The best baseball players in the world play in the US, so it truly is a World Series, regardless of where the teams play.

Well not all of them play in the US.

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=tor&sv=1

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by jbooth » Thu, May 17, 2012, 9:09 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #84

jbooth wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their accomplishments do stand on their own. You were using them as tokens in the above post, and I called it out. A couple of public figures don't undo an entire culture and electoral strategy.

Not at all. Just demonstrating the falseness of the assertion that Republicans don't represent or respect blacks. Once again: The world is not as simple as that. Oh, and while I am here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to bot…

The 19th century, thanks. Pretty disingenuous. You already know the content of these links before clicking them, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_rights_(speech)

http://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ (just for fun)

For what it's worth, I don't think President Bush the person was particularly racist. But he was definitely the #1 candidate among racists.

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by pknerd » Thu, May 17, 2012, 9:14 PM UTC

didgeoridoo wrote: post #3

50 years ago in Afghanistan it was 1962. Today it is 1262. Sort of makes you realize that peace, freedom and technological advancement aren't defaults, but aberrations. I can't imagine what it would feel like to be an Afghan citizen who was born in Kabul in the 1940s... It must feel like being stuck in a time machine.

US and USSR had not entered at that time thus things were quite good over there.

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by jbooth » Thu, May 17, 2012, 9:15 PM UTC

moldbug wrote: post #83

rmc wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America So long as that group kept to their zone. If they go into that zone, then things might happen. Of course the police would take an interest in that group being in that zone, they must be up to no good!

You're right, of course - I'm glad to be corrected. What I really meant to say was that in 1962 there were no no-go zones anywhere in America, Crackerjack Peckerwood Creek in the deep back asshole of Alabama where no one without a mullet in a Camaro would want to go anyway excepted. (Alas, in 1962 there were no Camaros either.) Trust me, I went to high school in Howard County, Maryland, and I would be the last person…

I really don't understand your contention here. You're claiming that integration ruined Brooklyn? Can you explain the mechanism? I don't see how public housing projects (widely regarded as a failure that cities are transitioning away from) have anything to do with segregation (widely regarded as an moral atrocity).

Also, just because there's a lot of black people on the street doesn't mean a neighborhood is dangerous. FYI. (former brooklyn resident).

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by dredmorbius » Thu, May 17, 2012, 9:19 PM UTC

moldbug wrote: post #59

rauljara wrote: post #25

The racism those photos document is startling. Just 50 years ago? Though, in my private high school in Indiana, in 1999 I overheard kids more than once telling n *er jokes. I heard less overtly racists at the school saying things like "Yeah, it would be weird to have a black friend." These were the rich kids who parents owned the local businesses. I have a hard time believing the kids weren't getting it from the pare…

Wow, enlightened white people. We sure are good at patting ourselves on the back, aren't we? Reality check: in 1962, every American city, north or south, with a substantial black population had a thriving black business district and a commercial middle class. Example: Bronzeville in Chicago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas,_Chicago#Bronzeville Enlightened white people destroyed these worlds and the people who li…

There were certainly no-go zones in America in 1962.

Most of them applied if you were black, however (or in the language of the time, "Negro").

But not all. Casablanca (70 years old this year) includes Rick advising the Germans "there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade."

Re: 50 Years Ago: The World in 1962

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Post by davidw » Thu, May 17, 2012, 9:22 PM UTC

jbooth wrote: post #86

gaius wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Just demonstrating the falseness of the assertion that Republicans don't represent or respect blacks. Once again: The world is not as simple as that. Oh, and while I am here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to bot…

The 19th century, thanks. Pretty disingenuous. You already know the content of these links before clicking them, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_rights_(speech) http://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ (just for fun) For what it's worth, I don't think President Bush the person was particularly racist. But he was definitely the #1 candidate among…

You know a story probably wasn't HN material when you end up discussing racism and recent US presidents:-/