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Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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This. "Building the future" is just asking for a similarly lazy retort.

I desire no retort from doubters or haters. Positive comments are welcome.

That's a very bad technique for living in reality. I respectfully suggest that you challenge your opinions from time to time instead of seeking out constant validation.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#82

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People will continue to call you out in this way because when asked "what do you think they do better" you replied with some handwaving nonsense. If you replied with some specific points, ideally quantifiable and backed by data, you would get quite a different response.

This. "Building the future" is just asking for a similarly lazy retort.

I can't seem to respond to arcticbull, the person who responded to me about this not being a good way to live.

When I say I don't desire a retort, it's because a retort is a failure to think. I have many good discussions with people who aren't trying to retort or dunk on people. There is little of that here and to suggest any of the people I've replied to wanted a real conversation is what's disingenuous.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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Last time I checked there is basically zero revolutionary things with Teslas cars, their battery tech, or manufacturing processes. Whatever advantage they had in range, charger network, manufacturing, side-businesses etc at least superficially seems to be pretty marginal. Sure, a marginal advantage can be huge in a competitive market, but building the future sees to be a bit hyperbolic. Oh, in the US they started off…

I don't believe you have the ability to "check". The Cybertruck is their latest move but they always have more. Robots, solar, charging, fsd. This stuff isn't going away.

I know only what they have publicly announced. And none of what I have seen, not their past record, indicates they have a future that will be any brighter than that of their competitors.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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> Tesla has no competition. Didnt Elon himself say that Chinese EVs are their biggest competition right now.

For cheap cars. Not against Tesla building the future.

What does even mean?

Are you saying Elon is wrong about those Chinese EVs?

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#85

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Sheez. And brainwashing, apparently.

Every time I hear one of you haters, I think the same thing, fyi. The difference is I think about things when they come out and you have your mind set on hating.

Always reflexively thinking the same thing is a sure sign of brainwashing.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#86

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The CEO too. I know a few people who refuse to buy a Tesla because of him. People buy Volskwagen, Porsche, Ford or Renault cars without thinking about the actions of the previous people attached to the manufacturer.

Nobody currently working at VW/Porsche worked for Hitler, and nobody currently working at Ford helped Henry run the presses for his antisemitic pamphlets. So that's a nonissue. What did Renault's founder do? Hadn't heard about that.

VW was involved in a colossal emissions con.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#87

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This. "Building the future" is just asking for a similarly lazy retort.

I can't seem to respond to arcticbull, the person who responded to me about this not being a good way to live. When I say I don't desire a retort, it's because a retort is a failure to think. I have many good discussions with people who aren't trying to retort or dunk on people. There is little of that here and to suggest any of the people I've replied to wanted a real conversation is what's disingenuous.

What do you think of other people who make the same claims over and over but never give any evidence of their claim and dismiss all the people giving counter evidence as "haters and doubters".

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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They are CCS with a proprietary connector (well, soon to be SAE J3400), so it still means we (CCS1 cars) can’t use their chargers without an adapter, even if they let us.

It won't be proprietary. It is SAE J3400. It is CCS. That's why other manufacturers are willing to support it. It's true that North America should have standardized a plug and charging standard a long time ago so drivers aren't in a situation where they have to waste money on adapters just to charge their car. Europe has much better EV infrastructure today in part because manufacturers have been able to build to a co…

It didn’t help that Tesla seemed to be much better at setting up charging infrastructure than VW. Electrify America is kind of a joke now, with busted chargers being the norm rather than the exception.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#89
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It's just a matter of time. China is making ev like android phones. Other countries are also catching up. The high profit margin of Tesla cannot last forever

It's not a matter of time, cars and the car industry are treated as national security. Chinese EV cars will be even more tariffed in US and Europe in 2024/2025

Will tariffs work if BYD does final assembly of vehicles in Mexico?

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#90
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It's just a matter of time. China is making ev like android phones. Other countries are also catching up. The high profit margin of Tesla cannot last forever

I'm just concerned about battery safety with Chinese EVs. I've seen more than a few video clips of Chinese EVs just spontaneously catching fire (not from an accident). I would be more confident in owning a Chinese-made EV if it conforms to appropriate battery safety standards, and that those standards are enforced by USA regulations. I'm sure at least half the problems with the Chinese EVs are the inadequate regulato…

BYD appears to be the leader re battery safety.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSGESKhtZD0

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