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Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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I wonder if Bill Gates is still shorting TSLA [1]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bill-gates-super-m...

Tesla is overvalued to any rational player, but the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

Gates on the other hand can certainly stay solvent for longer than you or me.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#52

It’s fairly easy to point at things that have annoyed customers that they call features, like missing wheel stalks and poor autowipers

The biggest problem has been that they stopped innovating ever since the CEO decided his focus was needed more on an app he found mildly annoying that he ended up buying accidentally because he couldn’t contain his bravado.

Model 3 and Model Y era had the momentum they needed and instead of focusing on expanding to other segments or offering more range of models, they decided they needed an impractical truck. They could be building bespoke 500k luxury cars with Rolls Royce or a 30k hatchback or a 40k crossover.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#53

I still have never understood the valuations. Sure, they'd make sense if Tesla ended up being the only game in town, forever. But even though they undoubtedly have been streets ahead in many places for a long time and Western manufacturers have been caught on the back foot, the Asian players are snapping at their heels, and (some of) the Western brands are slowly waking up. And even if they weren't, I don't see how T…

Because once the valuations are proven incorrect they just sell the company on to the next fool trying to justify the valuation. Look at Twitter, complete failure of the company, totally worthless but the legal system and media prop it up, even though it’s only ever lost money.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#54
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With North America slowing working toward a common EV plug and CCS winning the charging standard war, North American EV charging will become more like Europe. Charge any brand of EV on any brand of charging network, just as nature intended. No more vendor lock in.

The lockin is at the charger level. Fill up with petrol? Drive up, tap your card, fill up. At some places you fill up then go into the shop and tap your card. Electric? Drive up, work out which of the dozen of apps there are, try to download it, hold your phone in the other hand to try to get a signal, finally download it, then register, sell your personal data, then finally you can try to work out how to charge your…

More sensible infrastructure regulation in Europe. They're mandating contactless payments on charger. No app required: https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest-fleet-news/electric-...

Even on Tesla's newer dispensers: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yflZN0dLT8s

It's true that North America still has a long way to go on EV infrastructure, but it will get there eventually.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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There was the whole diesel-gate thing with volkswagen which was pretty shadey.

And the whole Nazi history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#History

Yes I am aware. Henry Ford was also problematic. There's a difference between present day which will impact my life and the lives of my kids and something that is 80 years old. I have gay family members and a daughter and I worry about what this election cycle will do to both. VW isn't going to change that, Musk might.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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Tesla has no competition. Cars is a small part of what they do.

Tesla's most recent 10-K (numbers in millions of $): """ Automotive sales: 78,509 Automotive regulatory credits: 1,790 Automotive leasing: 2,120 Services and other: 8,319 Energy generation and storage segment revenue: 6,035 """ Which part are you referring to when you say cars is a small part?

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Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#57
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It's just a matter of time. China is making ev like android phones. Other countries are also catching up. The high profit margin of Tesla cannot last forever

It's not a matter of time, cars and the car industry are treated as national security. Chinese EV cars will be even more tariffed in US and Europe in 2024/2025

We were talking about Tesla's profit margin and evaluation in the thread. Not sure if you replied to the wrong post

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

#58

It's just a matter of time. China is making ev like android phones. Other countries are also catching up. The high profit margin of Tesla cannot last forever

I'm just concerned about battery safety with Chinese EVs. I've seen more than a few video clips of Chinese EVs just spontaneously catching fire (not from an accident).

I would be more confident in owning a Chinese-made EV if it conforms to appropriate battery safety standards, and that those standards are enforced by USA regulations.

I'm sure at least half the problems with the Chinese EVs are the inadequate regulatory environment created by the PRC.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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They are not far ahead. We’ve seen peak Tesla, competitors are catching up fast.

Tesla has no competition. Cars is a small part of what they do.

> Tesla has no competition.

Didnt Elon himself say that Chinese EVs are their biggest competition right now.

Re: Tesla stock drops 29% in first quarter as global dominance wanes

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"Investors are concerned about auto sales as the company faces increased competition from China and disruptions in Europe." Tesla have practically defined the market so far. They made EVs cool, created a comparatively vast world wide charging distribution network and so on. Now we have competition, proper competition. Mind you some of it is a bit shag, but nonetheless there is competition, and a lot of it is pretty g…

Just in case I didn't spell it out:

ICE: You buy a Ford/Volvo/VAG and you run it on Shell, Esso, BP etc EV: You buy a Tesla, power it with Tesla. Buy another EV - power it with ... electricity

Tesla seem to have go this early on and then perhaps lost focus.

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