Yet another example of why privatisation of utility functions is privatise profits socialise losses. Of course they believe pumping torrents of shit into the sea is OK.
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Non-profit is a private entity, lmfao
British water company dumps sewage, claims "no right to swim in the sea"
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Re: British water company dumps sewage, claims "no right to swim in the sea"
#52This is tech debt, pure and simple. https://news.sky.com/story/down-the-drain-what-went-wrong-wi... The flaws in the sewerage system are fundamental and pervasive. It would be a national multi-generational effort to rebuild it all. It's going to be far cheaper to simply make swimming outdoors illegal and alter insurance guidelines to deny claims for water-borne health issues. Stuff like this appears in UK newspapers…
This is what happens when you privatise monopolies. They're not looking at a 100y plan, they're paying shareholders and [unnecessary] c-level positions.
What's surprising is that it lasted 35 years.
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#54> “The law does not recognise such rights, nor does the law impose a duty on South West Water.”
Disgusting.
I'd like to see that reframed in some similes: I have no legal obligation to save this person in quicksand, so I walked on by _because I am a cunt_.
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#55Is there an actual "right to use the sea"? ! My city dumps dozens of wild dogs on beach, they attack people in large packs, and everyone is told to use beach at their own risk. No right to swim on public beach! Or environmentalists dumps dangerous bears into public forrest. They routinely kill people, even roam city streets [1]. But there is no "right to safely use forest". 1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68…
Here are several points to consider:
- Presuming "no right to swim in the sea" as a given, the point remains that "don't be an evil cuntbag" also isn't a law. If we had to pedantically write every single undesirable behaviour in law books, there wouldn't be enough paper in the world. That's why laws are sometimes broad, to cover arseholes like this, and I hope she finds something to make a good case
- Bears can feck right off, but to be fair, they have just _slightly_ more right to the forest than tampons and turds have to the sea, right?
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't put any blame, just curious how a libertarian solve the issue as a thought experiment. Maybe there's an angle I haven't thought of. The "make the waters private" doesn't solve the problem of making the waters private if you haven't made the waters private before you want to swim. If you are going to purchase everything you need to live a life, this will quickly spiral into socialism with capitalist titles b…
You were "curious" and not blaming but quick to downvote. Good way of showing curiosity. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the state allowed the pollution of a public owned area, and now you want a libertarian working solution after the fact. How does that make sense? The libertarian solution is, as I said, make the waters private. The owner will immediately sue the pollutant, to at least stop dumpin…
Nobody said this was the result of libertarianism, nor that libertarianism is bad. The poster you replied to cannot downvote you, but others here watching your behavior can. Dial back the accusations, you're being unnecessarily aggressive defending a point which didn't need defense because it wasn't being attacked.
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#57The British government have been diverging their water quality regulations from the EU’s since Brexit. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/27/england-... Now Britain enjoys some of the worst polluted swimming waters https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/04/uk-waters-are-too-pol...
The joys of the free market.
Re: British water company dumps sewage, claims "no right to swim in the sea"
#58The British government have been diverging their water quality regulations from the EU’s since Brexit. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/27/england-... Now Britain enjoys some of the worst polluted swimming waters https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/04/uk-waters-are-too-pol...
The joys of the free market.
The Brits thought the world would line up to trade with a free UK based on the fact that they were…the UK???
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has the UK become a libertarian paradise lately, without we noticing? This is happening in a social-democracy, to a public good owned by the state. And yet you put the blame on libertarians! The company dumping sewage is doing it to the sea/rivers, not in private areas like a private swimming pool. Because they will be sued, and lose, if they did. The libertarian solution to this is "make the waters private". Anecdot…
I haven't put any blame, just curious how a libertarian solve the issue as a thought experiment. Maybe there's an angle I haven't thought of. The "make the waters private" doesn't solve the problem of making the waters private if you haven't made the waters private before you want to swim. If you are going to purchase everything you need to live a life, this will quickly spiral into socialism with capitalist titles b…
What are you on about?
Clean swimming beaches are a public good.
Libertarians don't believe in "public goods."
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Non-profit is a private entity, lmfao
Point is that simply removing the profit incentive doesn't fix the issues.
This page[1] also clarifies the status of Welsh Water - it's government regulated and "[has] the same organisational status as water supply utilities in Scotland and the pre-privatisation water supply undertakings in England."
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%B5r_Cymru_Welsh_Water