Literally ’enshitification’
British water company dumps sewage, claims "no right to swim in the sea"
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#32... And I wish one could say to them - no right to own a company.
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#33What a dumb situation they have got themselves into. They have to defend themselves to win the court case - and by doing so they lose the in the arena of public opinion.
It’s beautiful.
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#34Is there an actual "right to use the sea"? ! My city dumps dozens of wild dogs on beach, they attack people in large packs, and everyone is told to use beach at their own risk. No right to swim on public beach! Or environmentalists dumps dangerous bears into public forrest. They routinely kill people, even roam city streets [1]. But there is no "right to safely use forest". 1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68…
Slovakia has mountains with population of bears. The bears have always been there nobody has dumped them there. They dont routinely kill people. In recent years there was one death by a bear and one death when lady sliped why trying to run from bear. Those are only recorded incidents in last 50years.
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#35What is the libertarian solution for situations like this?
In theory it's Coase Theorem / Coasean bargaining. But even by economics standards, this theoretical result has little real world applicability.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
The business owners have no right to keep people from dumping sewage on them in public
That's probably assault if doesn't have a profit angle. Maybe its expected that everyone should just screw the rest as much as they humanly can without petty crime. For example, maybe can be a good business to create a company that takes control of all the coffee production/distribution and algorithmically price the cup of coffee to be about 5 quids or %0.1 (whichever is greater)of the monthly income of the customer.…
> That's probably assault if doesn't have a profit angle.
I'm pretty sure my offering to pay them any time they do it could make it profitable but not change the legality...
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#37Worth noting that this dumping is usually done during periods of high rainfall, to avoid sewage backing up through toilets into households. It’s not villains pulling a lever because they’re evil.
The fundamental problem is a lack of investment in increasing the capacity of sewer infrastructure, much of which is Victorian-era.
This is a good paper on the causes and possible resolutions:
https://www.ice.org.uk/media/ecuhx2dc/cso-insights-paper-jul...
(£56bn of investment has been committed, but 10x that would be needed to entirely eliminate CSOs).
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#38Re: British water company dumps sewage, claims "no right to swim in the sea"
#39What is the libertarian solution for situations like this?
Has the UK become a libertarian paradise lately, without we noticing? This is happening in a social-democracy, to a public good owned by the state. And yet you put the blame on libertarians!
The company dumping sewage is doing it to the sea/rivers, not in private areas like a private swimming pool. Because they will be sued, and lose, if they did. The libertarian solution to this is "make the waters private".
Anecdotally, in the begginings of the industrial revolution, some laundries sued some coal companies in UK for polluting the air and getting the clothes put to dry dirty againg. They won, so the coal companies lobbied the government for permission to emit ashes and smoke freely. The government obliged, allegedly in the name of progress. So when you ask yourself "what is the libertarian solution for this", ask first "is this a problem caused by the state action or inaction?" If the answer is "yes", you already have the answer to your first question.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's probably assault if doesn't have a profit angle. Maybe its expected that everyone should just screw the rest as much as they humanly can without petty crime. For example, maybe can be a good business to create a company that takes control of all the coffee production/distribution and algorithmically price the cup of coffee to be about 5 quids or %0.1 (whichever is greater)of the monthly income of the customer.…
> That's probably assault if doesn't have a profit angle. I'm pretty sure my offering to pay them any time they do it could make it profitable but not change the legality...
You will need to put extra steps to make legal.