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My Seth Godin decline letter. Thoughts?

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Re: My Seth Godin decline letter. Thoughts?

#51
So apparently by the very act of applying to his program, that fact alone makes me amazing. Not even close to buying it.

I think today I learned a lot more about this character than reading all his books.

I think anyone rejected from his program really dodged a bullet. Can you imagine a daily dose of this guy up close?

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I'd actually be a little bit insulted to get that as a response. It reads like a load of over-dramatized crap. Part of what's wrong with so many of these internet-marketers is that everything seems to be positioned as various degrees of "super rockstar ninja greatness". There is never any bad, unmarketable, stupid ideas. IE: no one wants to put their reputation on the line by making a potentially bad call. So, he won…

Having worked with Seth on Squidoo, I can tell you that he is a pretty genuine guy. That is just his writing style.

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post #3

I'd actually be a little bit insulted to get that as a response. It reads like a load of over-dramatized crap. Part of what's wrong with so many of these internet-marketers is that everything seems to be positioned as various degrees of "super rockstar ninja greatness". There is never any bad, unmarketable, stupid ideas. IE: no one wants to put their reputation on the line by making a potentially bad call. So, he won…

It does ring a bit empty, doesn't it. Bad move overall, imho. I've lost some respect for Seth Godin because of that letter. A more normal rejection letter would have been more appropriate. This letter makes him sound a bit too kitsch.

The letter looks very much like all of his blog posts, not sure why anyone would expect anything different from him. I'm assuming most of the people that applied to this program are frequent readers of his blog, and so hopefully the style of the letter didn't seem inappropriate to them.

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This sounds like Seth Godin trying to keep his "Tribe" Intact by not hurting anybody's feelings.

I always thought tribes were more in tune with brutally enforcing a hierarchy through displays of fitness and hostility towards outside people and thoughts.

Re: My Seth Godin decline letter. Thoughts?

#56
Let's face it, Seth has the cult of personality working overtime for him. People will do whatever it takes to get some of the Seth magic to rub off on them. He doesn't need to suck up to anyone and this letter proves that.

The sad thing is that he's only had one hit -- the idea of permission marketing. From there on, everything he has done is vaporous Seth brand building. I once sat in on a social media webinar with Seth and all he talked about was permission marketing. I wasn't impressed. Same old stuff.

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too nicey nicey. It doesn't sound sincere to me. When I was applying for jobs I used to get back all sorts of crap like this.. it's silly. One company got back to me within 24 hrs with a simple: "sorry your not for us because xyz" I reapplied instantly and in the "why are you applying" space put "because your the first company not to reject me with complete bull and just gave me a straight honest answer. I trust you.…

You got a rejection with reasons on it? I've always either gotten either "We are pleased you interviewed but we are continuing the search" or no response at all. Was I terrible? Was I awesome, but you cut me out for unfair and irrational reasons? I'll never know, and never know how I can improve. Does a great job of wrecking your psyche when you've been doing it for months straight.

I've always either gotten either "We are pleased you interviewed but we are continuing the search" or no response at all.

The no response at all shit is lame. I've had that happen to me twice, and it's just rude. Even a curt form letter is better than simply discarding a person once a company decides they have no use for someone.

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post #3

I'd actually be a little bit insulted to get that as a response. It reads like a load of over-dramatized crap. Part of what's wrong with so many of these internet-marketers is that everything seems to be positioned as various degrees of "super rockstar ninja greatness". There is never any bad, unmarketable, stupid ideas. IE: no one wants to put their reputation on the line by making a potentially bad call. So, he won…

Having worked with Seth on Squidoo, I can tell you that he is a pretty genuine guy. That is just his writing style.

My only problem with this letter is it is not clear if it was personal or sent to everyone rejected.

Getting a personal "you are amazing" is very different from "you are amazing" sent to few hundred people. This is a bad choice of words IMO.

Re: My Seth Godin decline letter. Thoughts?

#59
post #3

I'd actually be a little bit insulted to get that as a response. It reads like a load of over-dramatized crap. Part of what's wrong with so many of these internet-marketers is that everything seems to be positioned as various degrees of "super rockstar ninja greatness". There is never any bad, unmarketable, stupid ideas. IE: no one wants to put their reputation on the line by making a potentially bad call. So, he won…

It is kinda crap, but I wouldn't be insulted. It's not really any worse than more restrained form letters.

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#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got a rejection with reasons on it? I've always either gotten either "We are pleased you interviewed but we are continuing the search" or no response at all. Was I terrible? Was I awesome, but you cut me out for unfair and irrational reasons? I'll never know, and never know how I can improve. Does a great job of wrecking your psyche when you've been doing it for months straight.

I've always either gotten either "We are pleased you interviewed but we are continuing the search" or no response at all. The no response at all shit is lame. I've had that happen to me twice, and it's just rude. Even a curt form letter is better than simply discarding a person once a company decides they have no use for someone.

The worst one was when the HR person just couldn't seem to tell me or send an email. She kept delaying me telling that they hadn't decided yet, but she'd have an answer by such-and-such date. Eventually she just stopped returning calls.

I was at the point where it took me awhile (3 weeks?) to get the hint, desperately clutching to any sort of lead.

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