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School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

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Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my area, you get 10 days of unexcused absence per year before parents and kids start receiving fines and possibly a referral to CPS. That number is way too small IMO, and it forces folks to go to the doctor constantly for getting small illnesses excused (school policies are 24 hours without a fever, but they don't take temperatures, it's honor based...), since you want to keep those 10 days for an actual vacation.

Why would you take your kids on a vacation during school? There are plenty of breaks during the year including all of summer.

I remember when I was younger, people with international family often would take 3-4 week trips to visit. That was because it was so expensive and painful to go, and there were so many people to visit when you went, and infrastructure there wasn't great at "popping over" for day visits to each of these places. Plus, it was often a once in two-four year visit to see an entire side (or all) of your family. So these kids would just pop out of school for this extended period. Longest I remember was almost 2 months. Usually the parents worked out a deal with the school and brought a bunch of work to be done on the trip, with an exam or makeups when they returned. I was one of these kids, and it sucked. But it was possible with the right support structure. I think when people abscond with no thought to the continued education, that's a huge problem.

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

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Its world wide. In the UK the increase was analysed and its all due to increased sickness. Teachers and students are sick twice as much as they were before the pandemic begun and teachers are the second hardest hit group by Long Covid behind medical staff. The official count of UK children with Long Covid is 68,000 but its likely much higher than that since the NHS is mostly diagnosing Long haulers with anxiety (henc…

My kids are still playing catchup in terms of illnesses since the pandemic. Our district masked for the first two years. Neither of my kids were sick for those two years.

Since then they’ve been playing catchup immunity wise as they’ve been exposed to all the colds and other viruses. Which means they are absent more.

I’m hopeful that they are almost caught up in terms of what they have been exposed to and the amount of times they are sick in a year will be declining.

Seriously it blows my mind that folks say masks don’t work because if you’ve had school age children you know how often they are sick and for those two years the district was masking we had nothing. It was glorious while it lasted.

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

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post #10

The ripple effect from our unhinged covid response continues to be felt in countless places, from school absenteeism to downtown office space values to public transportation and on and on. We created new habits that are hard to break and naturally none of the hysterics who tried to unwind society gave any thought to anything besides trying to temporarily feel “safe.” There’s always a tradeoff…

Another way to look at it is that during lockdown people realized that millions driving through rush hour every day to sit in a cubicle was a drain on the time of employees and a waste of company money in renting the building. I don't care if commercial real estate took a hit outside of impacts to pension/401k. We have the technology now and the pandemic proved it, so we can now evolve in that area. No need to be stu…

Exactly this.

The curtain was pulled back and people realized the lies they were being fed by companies.

Turns out the business won’t fold if people are remote, and if you’re out sick that immovable deadline gets…moved.

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

#124

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Price. If you can travel outside of Dec 20-Jan10th and summer, you can pay maybe half. I have an annual grand trip around the world every year I do off season and I pay less for it in points or cash (mix depends on the places) than friends do to go to Hawaii for a week at Christmas.

What about just piling in the van and driving somewhere? That doesn’t cost more in the summer. Is the expectation that a family takes a 2 week luxury vacation every year?

Driving in the summer costs more;

Historically, retail gasoline prices tend to gradually rise in the spring and peak in late summer when people drive more frequently. Gasoline prices are generally lower in winter months.

>https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

#125

Its world wide. In the UK the increase was analysed and its all due to increased sickness. Teachers and students are sick twice as much as they were before the pandemic begun and teachers are the second hardest hit group by Long Covid behind medical staff. The official count of UK children with Long Covid is 68,000 but its likely much higher than that since the NHS is mostly diagnosing Long haulers with anxiety (henc…

Or are we finally just accepting that people do get sick from time to time? A friend at another school knew a guy who came to school with a stomach bug and puked several times throughout the day as they had a perfect attendance incentive worth a percentage of your grade, so to ensure he got his grades, he walked around puking for the day. At the time people praised his dedication.

People are getting sick more often because COVID causes lasting damage to the immune system.

https://whn.global/scientific/covid19-immune-dysregulation/

There is an orchestrated push by capital to not acknowledge this basic fact.

https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/media-celebrated-long-covid-a...

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

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post #7

In Israel a lot of the schools start with 20 minutes of body movement (at least near me). The kids become active. It’s not as big a deal if they are a little late. And my daughter (but not my son) hates missing it.

I wonder if there has been any studies done showing correlation between walking/biking to school and school success. Walking a mile takes about 20 minutes and personally I find that walking to work sets me up for success way better than driving does.

Physical activity has shown to improve mental health, which as a result improves learning.

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

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post #47

A tangent thought - I may be out of touch but I am amazed of little the school system changed over time (at least in my country), while in 2024 literally all the knowledge and all there is to learn in school (at least until university) is available on the internet with top quality video or resources. Yet students are expected to show up every day at 8 AM to 5 PM in my country. When I remember my classes in high schoo…

Pedagogy relies on more than mere exposure to information.

To a substantial degree, information central to an education has been reasonably readily available since the early 20th century, a combination printing, cheap paper, and public libraries. Not entirely as convenient as online Internet access, to be sure, but a low barrier for a motivated student. There are notable examples of self-taught prodigies[1] ...

... but overall, organised, school-based education seems to scale vastly better. Teachers don't merely expose but guide, at least in the best cases.

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1. One was, I believe, William Sidis, who'd taken refuge in a public library after being bullied, read Russell & Whitehead's Principia Mathematica, and corresponded with Russell over errata and corrections. I'm trying to turn up a reference, possibly The Prodigy: A Biography of William James Sidis, America's Greatest Child Prodigy by Amy Wallace.

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my area, you get 10 days of unexcused absence per year before parents and kids start receiving fines and possibly a referral to CPS. That number is way too small IMO, and it forces folks to go to the doctor constantly for getting small illnesses excused (school policies are 24 hours without a fever, but they don't take temperatures, it's honor based...), since you want to keep those 10 days for an actual vacation.

Why would you take your kids on a vacation during school? There are plenty of breaks during the year including all of summer.

Regional holidays, weather, seasonal events, chances for better experiences, cost, unexpected life events.. there are a couple

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

#129
post #47

A tangent thought - I may be out of touch but I am amazed of little the school system changed over time (at least in my country), while in 2024 literally all the knowledge and all there is to learn in school (at least until university) is available on the internet with top quality video or resources. Yet students are expected to show up every day at 8 AM to 5 PM in my country. When I remember my classes in high schoo…

>in 2024 literally all the knowledge and all there is to learn in school (at least until university) is available on the internet with top quality video or resources.

It's all mixed up in and endless sea of shit though.

Re: School absences have ‘exploded’ almost everywhere

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price. If you can travel outside of Dec 20-Jan10th and summer, you can pay maybe half. I have an annual grand trip around the world every year I do off season and I pay less for it in points or cash (mix depends on the places) than friends do to go to Hawaii for a week at Christmas.

What about just piling in the van and driving somewhere? That doesn’t cost more in the summer. Is the expectation that a family takes a 2 week luxury vacation every year?

> Is the expectation that a family takes a 2 week luxury vacation every year?

Only at a certain level of upper-middle-class affluence, but for them probably. But even one-week cruises are much cheaper off-season.

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