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Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

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Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

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post #30

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Anecdotally it's 50% "France had the right idea" and 50% "God save the king" with very few people in between.

My experience is the opposite. Most people don’t really care, but if pushed they’d be “well of course I don’t think the royal family should have a constitutional role, but I wouldn’t kill them, and I don’t trust politicians to put a better system in place…”

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#122
post #62

If this is really about a fine for counterfeiting a stamp, isn't £5 astonishingly low? In the US that's a serious federal felony with up to five years in prison. https://puryearlaw.com/2015/12/27/federal-counterfeit-postag...

> In the US that's a serious federal felony with up to five years in prison. For counterfeiting _A_ stamp? I guess in the US even breathing the wrong way is probably a serious federal felony. Land of the free, and all that...

I think it's important to internalize that stamps are like a form of currency[0]. Like you stick it on the envelope to pay the shipping fee. There are tax stamps/revenue stamps which are used to pay for things in a way that is hard for the fee collector themselves to steal.

I applied for a visa-related thing a month or so ago. The fee was 6000 yen, so I stuck 2 3000 yen stamps on the application form. I had paid the application fee, the money can't be stolen by the public servant taking the application form (well, not easily, at least, I'm sure there are sleight of hands), and the purchasing of the stamp happens at a trusted third party that could commit fraud but is heavily incentivized not to (on account of me being able to directly cite where I bought it, and the agency knowing who I am).

[0]: Pedants who want to say it isn't or that it's _exactly_ a form of currency: please go away

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#123
post #47

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That would be dumb. Nothing prevents attempted reuse of a genuine stamp.

Sorry, what about that would be dumb? Attempted reuse is exactly what would be prevented by scanning the barcode and seeing it had already been used. This is exactly why gift cards have scratch-off material covering their secret keys, otherwise folks would just take a picture of the next card in the stack, wait for it to be funded, and then use it before the recipient does. edit: And would you look at that, you can b…

> Sorry, what about that would be dumb?

Reused barcode does not mean counterfeit.

> Attempted reuse is exactly what would be prevented by scanning the barcode and seeing it had already been used.

Sure, but the alleged crime here is not attempted reuse. It is counterfeiting - as shown in the pic of the Royal Mail fee request label.

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#124

I'm amazed how they managed to bring in barcoded stamps without a peep from anyone about privacy. Sending a letter anonymously is now impossible.

When you send a letter, it's usually stamped by the post office you are sending it from, so you already gotta do a bit of work to stay anonymous when sending things out. And in the CCTV-loving land of the brits, I gotta imagine there's cameras on every postbox in the country

You now have to be more careful about buying the stamps themselves though. You could make a stock of them and not use them for a year or so (not like CCTV footage lasts more than a week).

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#125
post #21

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It is not a fine. It is a fee for optional delivery.

Ugh. It's kind of blackmail then. :( "Pay us $ (even though legally you don't have to), otherwise we'll be keeping and/or destroying your stuff".

Technically not blackmail.

Extortion :)

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#127
I think most people are missing the point here.

Why, for Christ's sake, is the onus of verifying the stamps put on the customers?

The Royal Mail created the problem. Don't give them money.

Otherwise bureaucracy and Kafkaesque issues will increase in the private and public sector.

PS: not from UK

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#128
post #63

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You don't have to pay it. It's only payable if you want to receive the letter.

The problem is that there is no way of knowing what the letter is. All you get is a slip through your door saying an item of mail is waiting for you and has a £5 fee to pay. If you're like me, you pay the fee, fearful that it might be something important.

At my local depot they allow you to see what the item is before you decide to pay or not.

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#129
post #115

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well ... it's the royal mail which happens to be identical to the royal mail from the post office scandal. that's about the reassurance you got to expect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal

The Royal Mail and the Post Office are not the same thing! They are completely separate businesses. The Fujitsu/sub-post master scandal has nothing to do with the Royal Mail.

Wikipedia explicitly says:

Post Office Limited

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Redirected from Post Office Ltd)

Not to be confused with Royal Mail.

Re: Why are so many people being hit with £5 fines for 'counterfeit' stamps?

#130
post #80

What caught my attention was that the first-class mail rate in the UK is £1.35 which is about $1.70 at current exchange rates. In contrast, in the US a first-class stamp is $0.68 (I buy forever stamps in bulk so I was surprised to discover it had gotten that high). The USPS really is a bargain.

Postcrossing maintains a list of international postcard costs by country. Going by cheapest for food, the US is #20, UK is about #100. Bahamas is the cheapest.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1leBjOXKNneuPVZt2PRnI...

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