The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
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The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
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Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#2At some point during the past 10 years or so, the world realized that document databases are actually a bad idea, and relational databases can do the same job better with just a few easy-to-implement QoL improvements (such as JSON operators in SQL).
Meanwhile MongoDB's creators thought this was a great time to make Mongo non-free software, presumably with the goal of making a quick buck from cloud operators.
The result is pretty much the landscape we are seeing today, with Postgres reigning supreme, and even SQLite being experimented with in server setups, while Mongo is on life support and MySQL not far behind.
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#3At some point during the past 10 years or so, the world realized that document databases are actually a bad idea, and relational databases can do the same job better with just a few easy-to-implement QoL improvements (such as JSON operators in SQL). Meanwhile MongoDB's creators thought this was a great time to make Mongo non-free software, presumably with the goal of making a quick buck from cloud operators. The resu…
I wouldn't say "Mongo is on life support" – it's actually a very successful business growing 30% YoY on a massive scale. Yet, I agree that the license switch has definitely damaged their long-term ecosystem.
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#4At some point during the past 10 years or so, the world realized that document databases are actually a bad idea, and relational databases can do the same job better with just a few easy-to-implement QoL improvements (such as JSON operators in SQL). Meanwhile MongoDB's creators thought this was a great time to make Mongo non-free software, presumably with the goal of making a quick buck from cloud operators. The resu…
I wouldn't say "Mongo is on life support" – it's actually a very successful business growing 30% YoY on a massive scale. Yet, I agree that the license switch has definitely damaged their long-term ecosystem.
They grew 30% if you look at revenue, but that's not how people determine whether a business is healthy.
EBITDA is a better metric, and that number was getting dramatically worse every year until 2023.
But even in 2023, EBITDA was -$202M. I don't see it ever approaching $0.
So it's still a shit business on top of a shit product that no one ever really needed.
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#5I don't doubt there are real benefits for them to switch but BTW this is not true:
> Difficulty configuring database transactions: With MongoDB, setting up transactions was not trivial because it required running MongoDB in cluster mode with various configuration overhead; this made it extremely difficult, for instance, for customers to run a simple POC of Infisical because it required a production setup of MongoDB.
You can run single instance in clustered mode, just a single-instance replica set. You get the oplog, transactions, etc. No advanced configuration required.
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#6Obligatory parody link: https://youtu.be/HdnDXsqiPYo
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#7In this world you either evolve to Elastic/Cassandra/etc or return to Postgres :crab:
You really gotta search your soul and ask yourself: your cool idea really a database, or just a plugin for Postgres? And the answer is often the latter.
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't say "Mongo is on life support" – it's actually a very successful business growing 30% YoY on a massive scale. Yet, I agree that the license switch has definitely damaged their long-term ecosystem.
They grew 30% if you look at revenue, but that's not how people determine whether a business is healthy. EBITDA is a better metric, and that number was getting dramatically worse every year until 2023. But even in 2023, EBITDA was -$202M. I don't see it ever approaching $0. So it's still a shit business on top of a shit product that no one ever really needed.
MongoDB is great if what you need is a replicated log or queue. It's what Kafka should have been.
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't say "Mongo is on life support" – it's actually a very successful business growing 30% YoY on a massive scale. Yet, I agree that the license switch has definitely damaged their long-term ecosystem.
They grew 30% if you look at revenue, but that's not how people determine whether a business is healthy. EBITDA is a better metric, and that number was getting dramatically worse every year until 2023. But even in 2023, EBITDA was -$202M. I don't see it ever approaching $0. So it's still a shit business on top of a shit product that no one ever really needed.
Why do you choose EBITDA? Last I heard it was utter nonsense”, at least according to Warren Buffet.
Re: The Great Migration from MongoDB to PostgreSQL
#10I don't doubt there are real benefits for them to switch but BTW this is not true: > Difficulty configuring database transactions: With MongoDB, setting up transactions was not trivial because it required running MongoDB in cluster mode with various configuration overhead; this made it extremely difficult, for instance, for customers to run a simple POC of Infisical because it required a production setup of MongoDB.…
And this has been possible for many years.