The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by melodyogonna » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 6:43 PM UTC

The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source
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Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by williamstein » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 7:01 PM UTC

Mojo just open sourced their standard library. https://github.com/modularml/mojo/tree/nightly/stdlib

It's very interesting to browse, since it's a huge collection of (presumably) working tested example code doing mundane things using Mojo, which is extremely useful to browse when trying to figure out how to efficiently use the language. Similarly, browsing the implementation of the stdlib has helped me a lot with learning zig.

Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by chrislattner » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 7:18 PM UTC

williamstein wrote: post #2

Mojo just open sourced their standard library. https://github.com/modularml/mojo/tree/nightly/stdlib It's very interesting to browse, since it's a huge collection of (presumably) working tested example code doing mundane things using Mojo, which is extremely useful to browse when trying to figure out how to efficiently use the language. Similarly, browsing the implementation of the stdlib has helped me a lot with lea…

Awesome, we'll be releasing a bunch more, but this is a pretty exciting starting point. The standard library has a lot of the lowest level details, and shapes most of the language - because so much of Mojo is library defined.

-Chris

Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by Trung0246 » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 7:28 PM UTC

So it looks like the actual runtime is still closed.

Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by jeremiahguy » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 7:39 PM UTC

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Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by melodyogonna » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 7:49 PM UTC

Trung0246 wrote: post #4

So it looks like the actual runtime is still closed.

You mean compiler. And yes, it has not been open-sourced just yet.

Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by modernerd » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 7:58 PM UTC

Mojo feels like a great fit for so many domains outside of AI. It could be a killer general purpose language.

It's easy to read and write, offers memory safety without RC or GC or even much mental overhead, will (eventually) be a superset of Python, and it's very performant already.

So far I've been hesitant to invest more time in it when it's pitched as "the programming language for all AI developers", when it's distributed inside the MAX package[1], and when Modular is prioritising features around AI over all else. (I understand why for all these things, I just wish it were otherwise.)

It's great to see the library in the open, but it would be much more compelling for me if Mojo were a separate entity, with its own open site and foundation, to be used by Modular but with more diverse adoption encouraged. Of course it's early days, but I hope it takes on a life more like Rust than Swift (which — despite its potential as a general-purpose language‚ is still largely used in one ecosystem).

1: https://www.modular.com/blog/max-is-here-what-does-that-mean...

Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by nickysielicki » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 8:00 PM UTC

When mojo was initially released I didn’t think much of it because: 1. It was announced prior to being available, even in closed source form. 2. Emoji filenames meant to me that it wasn’t taking itself too seriously. 3. Many people have tried to make Python fast and failed, and that was my naive take on it, and despite the fact that LLVM allstars were working on it, it seemed like a lofty goal. 4. Closed source programming languages usually suck.

They presented at the LLVM conference in 2023 and this video totally changed my view: https://youtu.be/SEwTjZvy8vw?si=itaRiFCIwGnyOQcc

There are some fascinating ideas here, I’m especially excited about what could come from their templated IR. Recommend others give it a watch if they’re confused on why they should pay attention to this project.

Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by dartos » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 8:07 PM UTC

melodyogonna wrote: post #6

Trung0246 wrote: post #4

So it looks like the actual runtime is still closed.

You mean compiler. And yes, it has not been open-sourced just yet.

Won’t touch it until it is, but I’m very exited for it to happen.

Re: The Next Big Step in Mojo Open Source

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Post by achandran » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 8:08 PM UTC

modernerd wrote: post #7

Mojo feels like a great fit for so many domains outside of AI. It could be a killer general purpose language. It's easy to read and write, offers memory safety without RC or GC or even much mental overhead, will (eventually) be a superset of Python, and it's very performant already. So far I've been hesitant to invest more time in it when it's pitched as "the programming language for all AI developers", when it's dis…

If Mojo can nail single-file deployment and have a Cargo-like packaging experience, along with the characteristics you highlighted, it could be an excellent general purpose language for web backends, cli tools etc