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Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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Citation needed...

It's a very easy experiment. Feel free to use yourself as a test subject. I don't anticipate a murder.

And if i watch porn you anticipate rape? :)

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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From the rumor mill: The beta-reader reported the author for CP. I'm not sure there's much of a story here.

It's a "story" if any random idiot can make a random claim about your work and get you cut off. For that matter, it's a "story" if you're exposed to judgements that affect your livelihood being made by automated crap and "reviewed" only by overworked near-slaves with almost no agency of their own.

That wouldn't be a 'random idiot'; it would be the story's beta-reader, and someone the document is shared with. Also- if it's true, then... what else was google supposed to do here?

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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post #5

The only thing I use gdocs for is collaboration. What are some of y'all's favorite alternatives?

I remember this from HN or otherwise when looking for an alternative solution: https://cryptpad.org/ There's a public instance in France to try it out.

Cryptpad is really good. Self-hostable and works for most use cases.

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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Something related I’ve been wondering about is the change in language catalyzed by social media companies and their morality / fear of advertisers. You see it especially in TikTok videos. When people aren’t straight up censoring themselves with bleeps, dead audio, or cuts, they use euphemisms instead: kill -> unalive, rape -> grape, sex -> seggs. Even more concerning is that what is considered in need of censoring is…

There's an anime/manga/light novel that's set in this future: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimoneta

Basically everyone wears a combination bracelet and choker that works as a futuristic smartphone, but doubles as a "sexually explicit language" censorship device - say the wrong word and you're arrested. Offhand, substitutions I remember from that series include "hose" in place of "penis" and "docking" in place of "sex".

It's mostly a comedy but gets pretty NSFW. Anime has both a censored and uncensored version.

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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Wow, I'm so glad I use $OTHER_SERVICE. This will definitely never happen to me.

Yep, I wonder how many of these stories it's going to take for people to learn that if the data is not on your physical metal, inside of your physical property, it's not yours.

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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It's a "story" if any random idiot can make a random claim about your work and get you cut off. For that matter, it's a "story" if you're exposed to judgements that affect your livelihood being made by automated crap and "reviewed" only by overworked near-slaves with almost no agency of their own.

That wouldn't be a 'random idiot'; it would be the story's beta-reader, and someone the document is shared with. Also- if it's true, then... what else was google supposed to do here?

> That wouldn't be a 'random idiot'; it would be the story's beta-reader, and someone the document is shared with.

The System(TM) doesn't know what a "beta-reader" is, and will react the same way to any random idiot's report. You're pretending that Google somehow responds to categories that neither Google's policies, Google's automated systems, nor probably many of Google's employees and agents, even know or care about.

Not that a "beta-reader" can't also be an idiot anyway.

> Also- if it's true, then...

You seem to be relying on the idea that Google might have been legally required to act against child pornography, so the "it" that would have to be true would be that the text was in fact child pornography.

As far as I can find, US child pornography laws don't mention or apply to pure text. Even if the unsubstantiated rumor you're spreading were true, then the unsubstantiated claim underlying it still could not possibly be true.

Any automated system or set of procedures that acts on the impossible supposition that a pure text document could even possibly be "child pornography" under those laws is automatically wrong.

... and the more credible claim is that the suspension was for "sexually explicit content", not "illegal child pornography", or the ever-popular "illegal obscenity", or illegal anything. That's a purely voluntary choice by Google. And even if that weren't true in this case, it is definitely true in many, many others.

> what else was google supposed to do here?

For the legal side, notice that text can never be "child pornography" in the US, and have it actually read for violations of any other law you're worried about by somebody who's actually qualified to evaluate its legal status and actually taking the time to do so.

For the "completely voluntarily chosen Google policy" side, which is the one that actually seems to be at stake here, hold off on doing anything until the material has been reviewed by a human who actually understands the issues, actually has authority to make meaningful decisions, and has the time and motivation to do so. Also, don't adopt pointless, silly policies.

Of course, commercial incentives assure that Google won't do any of that. And neither will any other provider of a similar cloud service.

So what every single user should do is get the hell off of all of those services. That would be a good idea even if policies weren't silly and if policy enforcement weren't hair-trigger, error-prone, capricious garbage, but it's especially important because this and other stories give every reason to believe that they are. On all of them.

That applies even if there is no commercially viable approach to handling these issues correctly. If a service can't be offered in any reasonable way, then that service should not be offered, or at least should not be used. "What are they supposed to do?" isn't a valid reason to use an unreliable, dangerous service.

... and the "story" is that many, many people are in fact using dangerous systems and should be moving off of them.

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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"I keep all my work on Google/Apple/Dropbox/Office" is really the new version of "I kept all my work on my hard drive and didn't back it up". All of these companies have shown repeatedly that they will cut off your access with no notice for any or no reason and with no recourse. Cloud backups used to be a smart thing to do. Now they are a liability.

All your eggs in 1 basket is never good. Local hard drive + a cloud provider should give you like 99.999999% reliability

Key point is that the cloud provider version should not be your "main" version, it should be used for backup only. If it's not on your physical computer that you have direct access to, it's not -your- data anymore.

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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The cloud is "someone else's computer". You don't make the rules, they do. Keep your stuff on your own system, and maybe use the cloud for backup. Honestly, I don't even recommend that, unless you have actually read the T&C. The simplest solution is to get two memory sticks and copy your data to them. One stays with you, the other is in a safe-deposit box. Rotate them regularly. It's really not that much effort. That…

> The simplest solution is to get two memory sticks and copy your data to them. One stays with you, the other is in a safe-deposit box. Rotate them regularly. It's really not that much effort.

Another option is to keep a memory stick is in your car or even at work, if you keep it encrypted.

Re: Google suspends romance author's account for writing sexually explicit content

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It depends on how you want to store it. You could store it encrypted. Any true backup worthy of the title should, in my opinion, be encrypted. Otherwise it's just a copy.

Surely you jest, you joker you. The number of problems with that idea far outweigh the benefits. Should I go into detail? Love your profile text, by the way. EDIT: one quick example is that I’ve lost more data by forgetting passwords than I care to admit. They’ve all been from an age where I thought it was a good idea to encrypt my secret documents, lest prying eyes get to them. Turns out the secrets would’ve been in…

> I’ve lost more data by forgetting passwords than I care to admit

This is a you problem. 100 percent PEBKAC.

I've been encrypting every backup, local and cloud, and plenty of other things, for probably 30 years. I've done my share of restores, and have never lost the only key to anything I later wanted back. That's true even though I have forgotten a few passwords, because I had failsafes for that situation.

This requires memorizing only three or four long passwords, which change very rarely, plus a little bit of discipline and occasionally some maintenance of your archives.

On the other hand, putting something somewhere, like some cloud service, without seeing all the implications, is a mistake that's easy to make and hard to clean up. Storing stuff in the cloud in the clear en masse is an insane thing to make into a normal part of your routine.

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