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For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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Employers may imagine the system is efficient. In fact, it is a wasted opportunity. Every time someone applies for a job, there is a chance to build that company’s reputation. Couldn’t agree with this more. I’ve heard some stories about companies rejecting candidates too late in the process to be professional. It’s like they don’t think we talk about them.

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Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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‘Never’ is a long time. There were far worse times in (recent) history, but currently I see many companies rather hiring no one than a graduate/junior. At least in my field (which is common here; saas dev, fullstack), I have too pick between paying a graduate a very large amount of $, much to close to a medior or even senior, to skip over them. I would love to hire someone like me when I was a graduate: I didn’t have…

“I would love to hire someone like me when I was a graduate” Oh I’m sure. The narcissism is palpable.

We always had a good mix of graduates and experienced devs, it’s in the last years that the prices jumped too much to keep that working. Nothing to do with emotions or narcissism.

Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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> pages and pages of jobs, most requiring at least three, even five, years of experience. > recent graduate with a degree in cyber security College is the problem! It should provide job relevant skills and education! Instead students are forced to study irrelevant garbage. If this guy studied himself, he would save money, and had a few years of relevant experience by now.

The purpose of education is education itself acquiring work skills is a side effect.

Colleges can't and shouldn't chase the latest industry fad, they should teach the fundamentals of whatever field and give you a mind apt to absorb and process more specific information.

Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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Meanwhile, the stock market is through the roof, bitcoin rallied spectacularly, the housing market is unreachable to most, and let's just not talk about gold. And AI hasn't kicked in yet. At some point, we'll need to throw all the economists into the sea and start realizing what's going on here...

Inflation in everything but wages, information, and technology. Inflation adjusted wages are relatively flat compared to inflation elsewhere, while information and tech are deflating.

The wave of super cheap EVs hasn’t even hit yet, and as you say AI hasn’t really hit yet. Solar power will soon be the cheapest source of power in history and it’s still falling.

This has been going on for about two decades.

How does this end? A bunch of superintelligent superconnected homeless cyborgs? Borg living in cardboard boxes pushing shopping carts around?

Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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> pages and pages of jobs, most requiring at least three, even five, years of experience. > recent graduate with a degree in cyber security College is the problem! It should provide job relevant skills and education! Instead students are forced to study irrelevant garbage. If this guy studied himself, he would save money, and had a few years of relevant experience by now.

Yes, and companies should pay for it rather than students! Let the market decide what is "job relevant"!! In all seriousness, maybe an institution like this would not be a bad idea, alongside universities rather than as a replacement.

You describing bootcamps essentially.

Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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> pages and pages of jobs, most requiring at least three, even five, years of experience. > recent graduate with a degree in cyber security College is the problem! It should provide job relevant skills and education! Instead students are forced to study irrelevant garbage. If this guy studied himself, he would save money, and had a few years of relevant experience by now.

As someone who “made it” without a formal degree: oh come on. If nobody opens doors for you, it takes a lot more than just intellect and grit to establish yourself. While I don’t have many good things to say about the established education systems, it’s beyond naive to act like “just do it on your own” is a scalable approach. Even today, some doors will stay closed for me, simply because I will always have to justify…

These doors are closed for political reasons.

Nobody wants to explain why the CTO who fucked up big had such a CV.

Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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I graduated in 2007 and decided to take a low paying IT job that I stuck with for 2 years. It was demoralizing but it luckily led me to web development. I think it’s important to remember that there are lots of options available early on if you lower your standards and expectations. The job was rough, a lot of self learning but it prepared me well for what was to come.

Re: For young people, the job search has never been so miserable

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Can say that the situation of my friends in southern Europe is beyond depressing even if they have already years of experience.

My gf with a law degree, having worked at a tribunal, and now in a bank for more than 5 years can find literally nothing. Ghosting after ghosting.

My friends who have chemistry degrees are in similar situation, just nobody answers for months and months.

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