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Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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It's not contradictory to simultaneously hold the positions that (1) porn consumption is bad for minors, and (2) adults who watch porn should not be forced to upload identity documents to insecure systems managed by unwilling operators.

And that's just assuming the law could even be perfectly enforced! In reality, it will not be, and there will always be sites without the requirement (which will also be the "seedier" sites), or kids who work around it. So the end result is that kids end up watching even worse porn, while adults get their identities stolen and linked to their porn browsing habits.

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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The Netherlands is banning library genesis, Spain was banning telegram.. soon the icky way to use the internet will be via 24/7 VPN. But in what jurisdiction? It seems like everyone is banning something now.

VPNs will be highly regulated at some point.

I'm somewhat surprised that this hasn't occurred already. I suspect the reason is that there's not been a catalyzing event that governments usually need in order to make restrictions palatable to people.

This is probably designed to be that event. Enough people will buy the "think of the children" angle used to ban porn. And that legal framework can then be leveraged to regulate VPNs. First, to stop them from being used to bypass these porn restrictions, but then expanded to prevent content restriction bypassing, then to preventing online piracy, then preventing "subversive activities."

Pornography is at the vanguard of free speech.

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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I happen to love subversive behavior on the grounds that a certain amount subversiveness is good for society. It is the natural push and pull that keeps the ship of state gently trodding on the waves of history. I want more companies to engage in "taking their ball and going home". Good tactic - please do it more!

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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No, they're doing that because there's no way to actually do what is being demanded safely. Again, parents should be (1) explaining porn to their kids when they get to the age where that might matter, and (2) be involved in parenting their kids.

Alternatively, how would you propose a porn site do age verification that doesn't involve every porn site having giant databases of IDs and user photos? Moreover, as the big - trying to do things right - sites have repeatedly stated, all you're doing is ensuring that the only sites minors can access are the ones that have little to no controls on content.

I get that you may feel that hardcore porn is bad for children - I think the issue here is that that's the only stuff kids can access because less hardcore stuff generally has more aggressive access controls - but the solution here is to explain what pornography is, and how it does or does not match reality, etc. Pretending it doesn't exist results in kids accessing it (because hormones and failure to monitor what your kids are doing online) and not understanding that it does not accurately reflect how real relationships or sex work. It's similar to "protecting" children from sex by pretending it doesn't exist, and making it really bad/sinful, which is super effective at enabling abusers.

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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The Netherlands is banning library genesis, Spain was banning telegram.. soon the icky way to use the internet will be via 24/7 VPN. But in what jurisdiction? It seems like everyone is banning something now.

VPNs will be highly regulated at some point. I'm somewhat surprised that this hasn't occurred already. I suspect the reason is that there's not been a catalyzing event that governments usually need in order to make restrictions palatable to people. This is probably designed to be that event. Enough people will buy the "think of the children" angle used to ban porn. And that legal framework can then be leveraged to re…

Yes it is, and it's not a coincidence that one of the few places with de-facto "free speech" (de-facto copyright laws non enforced) is Generative AI - which is also utilized extremely heavily for porn (see civit.ai)

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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It's not contradictory to simultaneously hold the positions that (1) porn consumption is bad for minors, and (2) adults who watch porn should not be forced to upload identity documents to insecure systems managed by unwilling operators. And that's just assuming the law could even be perfectly enforced! In reality, it will not be, and there will always be sites without the requirement (which will also be the "seedier"…

The OPM couldn't secure our intelligence community's blackmail database. I expect these jokers to do even worse.

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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No, they’re doing this because they know that if people had to provide an ID to access porn than web porn consumption would fall (especially consumption of the more extreme stuff, which is the most lucrative).

They fear a rise of a porn black market which is non-monetizable.

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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> Believe that a large portion of their user-base is minors, and a ban would hurt their bottom line

How many people who are of age would hand over their personal information to a porn site unless they are already paying customers? Many people would not feel safe just handing over all of that information. They would lose both minors and adults who do not want to share that information.

I am curious, how would you suggest they roll out this digital check without hurting the users privacy? I have not seen a proposal that can scale across countries without becoming a privacy nightmare.

From my limited experience, most people are pretty onboard with blocking minors from accessing porn. The conflict always arises around the question of how you will achieve that.

Re: Porn sites are banning Texas

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No, they're doing that because there's no way to actually do what is being demanded safely. Again, parents should be (1) explaining porn to their kids when they get to the age where that might matter, and (2) be involved in parenting their kids. Alternatively, how would you propose a porn site do age verification that doesn't involve every porn site having giant databases of IDs and user photos? Moreover, as the big…

Yeah, but if you blame porn for the fertility crisis you don't have to figure out how to make housing and childcare affordable, which probably requires policy that makes assets go down. Can't have that! It is infinitely easier to blame the gays, or the trans, or tiktok, or porn.
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