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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by cgearhart »

squigz wrote: post #483
cgearhart wrote: post #234

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> put parental controls on your kids devices We did that. My kids (twins) pooled their allowance money for a few months and had a friend at school buy them an old iPhone that they shared in a locker at school. They went wild on social media once they were set loose, to the detriment of everyone involved. There was a government report in the last couple years that concluded (paraphrasing) “the ideal amount of social m…

> They went wild on social media once they were set loose Do you think keeping them away from it initially drove them to this faster?

I have wondered about that, but we didn’t keep them strictly from it. They had Instagram and a couple other things—with screen time limits and we knew their account handles. That was apparently enough friction for them to find a workaround. “Went wild” in this context means they signed up for dozens of accounts on dozens of different services—SnapChat, Discord, Instagram, and others I’d never heard of at all.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by enonimal »

exabrial wrote: post #333

I'll be the odd guy out and say it should probably be illegal to attempt to enter a contract (AUP, privacy policy, etc) with a minor anyway (for a lot of reasons around exploitation), so I don't _really_ have a major issue with this at face value. I know the devil is in the details though, so kinda curious what the actual provisions are. The alternative is a free internet, where we don't need accounts to do things, b…

how do you perceive privacy in such a world?

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Post by IlllIIll »

xerox13ster wrote: post #484
mrkstu wrote: post #475

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What about them? They’re not being forced into that, most are having to fight tooth and nail to be heard and to get access to the treatment. You very clearly have no idea what’s going on with trans kids. Modern trans healthcare has nothing to do with people in the past being sterilized as punishment. OTOH, this law is actually being forced on minors, even if they’re not in what you consider a punishable minority. Als…

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #238
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #219

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Well, yeah. I can go without the opinions of any underrepresented group. (A lot of theoretical computer science work in my field was done by pseudonymous children, but it's not like I need that to live.) Doesn't mean they can go without me hearing what they have to say.

What theoretical computer science work is being done by middle schoolers? Are you a Minecraft YouTuber?

I was thinking things like complexity theory. The Minecraft kids are generally more on the applied side of things: software engineering, usability work, that kind of stuff; and afaik they don't really publish in ways that are easy to cite in academia. (I'm only familiar with that sort of thing in passing.)

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Post by wvenable »

ricardobeat wrote: post #489
ok_dad wrote: post #479

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> Your weird neighbour who has a feet fetish would never get to be a TV star Look up Nickelodeon and Dan Schneider my man.

Haha, I was sure someone would make a comment like this. The point is that that his fetish would not be the show’s content :)

The point is his fetish is in the show's content!

Although, still, a few exceptions aside doesn't invalidate your point. TV being a single group effort is much better than thousands of individual voices, what could possibly go wrong with that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo

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Post by thepasswordis »

redserk wrote: post #260
Hugsun wrote: post #182

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The bill seems to be targeting certain types of social media platforms. I'm not sure everyone is at risk. What small/medium sites do you have in mind? HN doesn't seem to be a target for example.

I'm not a lawyer so I'll happily accept a more thorough analysis. My quick reading of the bill leads me to think that smaller forums might actually qualify -- unless I missed a section on size of social network. This bill says: (I apologize for the incredibly bad formatting below, I've edited a few times to try to get things right) > A social media site must fufill the criteria: > ... > 2. Ten percent or more of the…

Neither HN, nor forums would qualify for this. Reddit would.

Afaik, HN does not tailor the front page per user (log out then log back in. The FP is the same)

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Post by scarface_74 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #459
tristan957 wrote: post #287

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Pornhub just blocked Texas. We are very much using children as an excuse for big government.

Big government forced licensure upon motor vehicle operators because early on they demonstrated a tendency to cause societal harm. There is a place where libertarian ideals have to be curtailed for the greater good.

You didn’t answer the question. It’s one thing for the government to have your ID and tied to a physical activity. Do you want Facebook to have a copy of your ID? Do you want the government to be able to ask Facebook who said something that offended them for your real ID?

There have been cases where the cops arrested someone for criticizing them on Facebook

https://theconversation.com/mocking-the-police-got-an-ohio-m...

The cops also raided a newspaper for criticizing them

https://kansasreflector.com/2023/08/12/in-marion-county-news...

We have to be free to criticize the government anonymously

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Post by scarface_74 »

wvenable wrote: post #478
Brybry wrote: post #470

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By not having this law and doing it client side. My opinion is the law is bad.

This law might have never come up if we had better parental controls at every level of the software and hardware stack. I'm a parent I have parent controls setup on my child's devices but it's very hard to dial it in properly and cover all the bases. It should be far more straight forward to manage than it is now. I'm obviously pretty tech savvy and I would say 99% of parents are not going to get this right.

I can’t speak for PCs or Android devices. But iOS devices already have parental controls built in as do Macs

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Post by amelius »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #486
LVB wrote: post #477

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These rulings are 13 and 27 years old (the third is in progress), so I'd argue that revisiting the legal analysis of the laws and precedents is useful here in itself.

What's changed in 27 years to make you say this? Certainly not the Constitution. The last amendment was passed over 30 years ago.

What is constitutional about releasing psychological warfare techniques on children? Because that is what these social media platforms are doing.

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Post by wvenable »

scarface_74 wrote: post #508
wvenable wrote: post #478

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This law might have never come up if we had better parental controls at every level of the software and hardware stack. I'm a parent I have parent controls setup on my child's devices but it's very hard to dial it in properly and cover all the bases. It should be far more straight forward to manage than it is now. I'm obviously pretty tech savvy and I would say 99% of parents are not going to get this right.

I can’t speak for PCs or Android devices. But iOS devices already have parental controls built in as do Macs

iOS parental controls are awful. The only way to get any decent control for my concerns that the moment is using the downtime features all day long. Effectively I've told iOS that he should be in bed for 23 hours and 55 minutes a day. It's ridiculous and extremely limiting.

Microsoft's parental controls are sort of ok. I also have separate control software for Windows and I have controls at the router. Of course, none of things can talk to each other to create a coordinated plan (say giving X number of screen time hours per day).

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