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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by Meekro »

Solvency wrote: post #372
LVB wrote: post #360

Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.

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Florida public schools require students to get all of the most important vaccines including MMR, Tdap, Chickenpox, and others.

https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immuniza...

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Post by pests »

iamacyborg wrote: post #408
pests wrote: post #405

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Who said anything about advertising? This is about businesses using Facebook as their main website. Where do ads come in? Are teenagers not real people or something? They don't buy things or shop?

Kids can “find businesses” the way they always have

Like, with ads? That you were so against above. What's wrong with them going to a businesses online presence?

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Post by floxy »

silverquiet wrote: post #384
floxy wrote: post #370

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If someone is convinced that all housing is going to stay/become extravagantly expensive, shouldn't they get into real estate development to cash in on the opportunity? So they can build houses/condos/etc. Seems like they could become architects, or real estate agents, or work for (or own) a construction company. Maybe designing robots that build houses. Or work for a REIT.

I notice a distinct lack of jobs like plumber or carpenter in that list. In some sense my parents are home builders (I'd say it's like a hobby for them), so I have some familiarity with the process. I even fill in some of the labor on occasion. It really doesn't require a lot of administrative work (though they avoid building in places with lots of codes at this point), but a ton of low-paid labor. I don't think any…

I hesitated to use the word "construction" on purpose, because invariably someone on HN chimes in how back breaking manual labor is and how it wears out your body prematurely, etc.. :)

>I don't think any amount of money could ever get me to do concrete work

How complex is that work? Might it be a good candidate for machines/robots?

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Post by knightoffaith »

scarface_74 wrote: post #395
knightoffaith wrote: post #341

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Right, definitely wouldn't want that. But do we just have to accept the negative impact the internet can have on children as a necessary evil then?

So you would be okay giving your ID to Facebook or any other site before you can access it?

No, I wouldn't. I'm just wondering if we have to accept the consequences for children or if there's some alternative solution.

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Post by ethbr1 »

serial_dev wrote: post #403
Solvency wrote: post #372

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Are you sure that's correct? This seems to indicate that you aren't? https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immuniza...

Are 10%+ religious exemptions normal? I'm not sure what the average rate in other states is.

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/florida-vaccine-exemptions...

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Post by krapp »

knightoffaith wrote: post #341
scarface_74 wrote: post #223

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The last thing we need is to force everyone to have ID to “protect the children” before I can go on to a site on the internet.

Right, definitely wouldn't want that. But do we just have to accept the negative impact the internet can have on children as a necessary evil then?

If we have to accept the negative impact of bullets in our childrens' bodies from spree killers and cops as a necessary evil to preserve the Second Amendment then yes, we should accept the negative impact of the internet as a necessary evil to preserve the First.

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Post by EnigmaFlare »

jliptzin wrote: post #392
LVB wrote: post #360

Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.

You’re assuming the politicians enacting this law care about such data much less learn anything from it.

No he's not because the experiment doesn't depend on them. Social science researchers use these kinds of sudden differences in laws all the time to study their effects. People in general can look at the outcomes too if they're obvious enough.

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Post by Brybry »

serial_dev wrote: post #403
Solvency wrote: post #372

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Are you sure that's correct? This seems to indicate that you aren't? https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immuniza...

You can get a religious exemption[1] and Florida was in the news recently about a measles outbreak where their Surgeon General advised parents of unvaccinated kids to make their own choice on sending their kids to school or not. [2]

You can also google Florida student MMR vaccination rates and most results are closer to 90% than 100%, so clearly people are taking advantage of exemptions.

[1] http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20St...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d561ec38-808a-471f-...

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by paulddraper »

aurareturn wrote: post #25

>Critics have said the bill violates the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment protections for free speech and that parents, not the government, should make decisions about the online presence of their children of all ages. It's extremely difficult for parents to stop their children, especially early teens from using social media. This law should make it easier and it would put the work on Meta, Snap, Tiktok, Pinterest…

> parents, not the government, should make decisions

Now do alcohol, cigarettes, adult bars

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Post by caditinpiscinam »

gnicholas wrote: post #383
antegamisou wrote: post #378

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Policy-making isn't supposed be, at least shouldn't be, some lab experiment. The hey at least we tried isn't the best reasoning for the lack of insight of those in charge.

Justice Brandeis, who coined the term "laboratories of democracy", felt otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratories_of_democracy

I wonder what the people who were forcibly sterilized after Buck v Bell thought of Brandeis' philosophy.
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