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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a parent, I’m concerned about social media, and it has been more or less impossible to stop my teens from using it. They were jailbreaking and using VPNs and bypassing my parental controls a lot earlier than I expected. I did notice that whenever my kids didn’t have access to phones and games for several days for whatever reason, they were less grouchy and more willing to engage with us and do family or social act…
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Did you even read what they said? Your fantasy is debunked by the post itself. It's also debunked by reality, but oh well
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#403Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.
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Are you sure that's correct? This seems to indicate that you aren't?
https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immuniza...
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#404The biggest problem I see is that we’re now essentially requiring ID to use substantial parts of the internet. So many business only have a Facebook page, Google maps has social features. I already didn’t want a Facebook account just to see a businesses specials, now I’ll need to present ID too? Certainly interested to see how all this plays out.
H.B.3 only prohibits these minors holding accounts on social media. They can still browse, as can anyone without an account and age verification. You'd be able to view a business's information, watch videos, etc etc etc, just not create your own. It also has conditions for which sites are affected by this law. The site has to have doomscroll and already be popular with kids. Google Maps isn't what they're targeting.…
> I'm in no rush to show Zuck my passport
I agree, but I think your problem isn't Zuck, it's with passports.
Government issued licences aren't fit for purpose any more. They were when all you did with your paper drivers licence is show it to the police, but now they've become a form of ID you show man+dog who gets to scrape a whole pile of into from it that can be used to track you. For example, they can follow your passport number or drivers licence to connect a series of what should look like unrelated transactions.
As an example, now when a car rental company wants to know you have a valid licence they demand a copy of it. If you have an accident they use the copy to prove they verified you are licenced to drive, if you do something illegal they can hand over your ID so the police can chase you down. FIDO / WebAuthn / PassKey shows how those things can be achieved without leaking all the information on the licence. It can hand over a one time token saying you have a valid licence and signed by something that chains back to a public key held by the government. The token reveals nothing more than that to the car hire firm, but should they hand it over to the police they can decrypt it to identify you.
These tokens are useless if stolen. They can't link you to other transactions and don't identify you in any way, and yet are far more secure than a bunch of unsigned pixels. In other words unlike a copy of a passport, mostly harmless.
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question was about merits though, you can't just ignore the question. How do teenagers find and discover businesses when they are locked behind a sign up wall for social media?
> How do teenagers find and discover businesses when they are locked behind a sign up wall for social media? Why is this even a problem? Oh no, businesses can’t target advertising directly at children?
Who said anything about advertising?
This is about businesses using Facebook as their main website. Where do ads come in?
Are teenagers not real people or something? They don't buy things or shop?
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
Policy-making isn't supposed be, at least shouldn't be, some lab experiment. The hey at least we tried isn't the best reasoning for the lack of insight of those in charge.
Justice Brandeis, who coined the term "laboratories of democracy", felt otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratories_of_democracy
Ah yes, I almost forgot we're talking about the US where it was OK for the state to secretly conduct mind control human experimentation for over 20 years.
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question was about merits though, you can't just ignore the question. How do teenagers find and discover businesses when they are locked behind a sign up wall for social media?
This is an unfair parallel, but it's like worrying about businesses who advertise on pornographic sites or on cigarette boxes. Allowing visibility to businesses who advertise on a certain platform could be judged (by society, law, and voters) to be outweighed by the need to restrict youth access to social media. There is a variety of precedent in society and law in restricting youth access to something that is otherw…
They don't advertise on FB, they host their main web presence on FB.
That's like saying you go to Pornhub to buy Manscaped Hair Trimmers. You don't. They _advertise_ on PH, but that's not where you buy them at.
Why is everyone replying to me about ads? Who said anything about ads?
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How do teenagers find and discover businesses when they are locked behind a sign up wall for social media? Why is this even a problem? Oh no, businesses can’t target advertising directly at children?
Who said anything about advertising? This is about businesses using Facebook as their main website. Where do ads come in? Are teenagers not real people or something? They don't buy things or shop?
Kids can “find businesses” the way they always have
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#409Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.
Policy-making isn't supposed be, at least shouldn't be, some lab experiment. The hey at least we tried isn't the best reasoning for the lack of insight of those in charge.
And yet it is.
Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16
#410Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.