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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by knightoffaith »

scarface_74 wrote: post #223
oliwarner wrote: post #188

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H.B.3 only prohibits these minors holding accounts on social media. They can still browse, as can anyone without an account and age verification. You'd be able to view a business's information, watch videos, etc etc etc, just not create your own. It also has conditions for which sites are affected by this law. The site has to have doomscroll and already be popular with kids. Google Maps isn't what they're targeting.…

The last thing we need is to force everyone to have ID to “protect the children” before I can go on to a site on the internet.

Right, definitely wouldn't want that. But do we just have to accept the negative impact the internet can have on children as a necessary evil then?

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Post by hackable_sand »

nerdawson wrote: post #141
evantbyrne wrote: post #120

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You say there is no question, but it is already being raised by social media companies as an issue with the law. Anonymous age _verification_ is not something that exists. This requires government documentation, which means any solution that involves storing identity verification information would de facto allow the government to unmask users. This raises serious free speech concerns for everyone that uses these webs…

A fairly basic version of anonymous verification would be that local stores sell an age token. You show them your ID, like you would for buying alcohol, and they give you the token which could then be used with online services to prove you're over a certain age. It only becomes a problem if stores are forced to store the ID and link it to the token in some way.

Teenagers are gonna be stoked when they can pick up their internet access chip AND alcohol in one stop

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Post by nicoburns »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #336
morkalork wrote: post #273

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This is not true! I was looking at a hair salon and bakery recently. Both, being run by millennials, have nothing but a google maps listing and an Instagram account. But I don't have one and after looking at a few photos of cakes and hairstyles, it gives me the boot and asks me to sign in to see more! Adding mandatory government ID to that is crazy.

They sound like incompetent business proprietors. When did having a website become something exclusively for old people? Millennials are in their 30s and 40s.

> When did having a website become something exclusively for old people?

It's more that having a website never became a thing for many businesses in the first place. 30 years ago they might have had a listing in the phone book. Nowadays that kind of business might have a facebook page, or more recently an instagram account. Creating a website (even with something like wix) requires a level of skill and effort above that.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by paulddraper »

alphabettsy wrote: post #81

The biggest problem I see is that we’re now essentially requiring ID to use substantial parts of the internet. So many business only have a Facebook page, Google maps has social features. I already didn’t want a Facebook account just to see a businesses specials, now I’ll need to present ID too? Certainly interested to see how all this plays out.

> I already didn’t want a Facebook account just to see a businesses specials

Hopefully this will make that problem less prevalent.

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Post by newhotelowner »

ejb999 wrote: post #31
newhotelowner wrote: post #24

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Why 18 and not 25?

because under 18 is not an adult legally speaking, and 18+ is?

Florida allows 14 years old to work 15 hours.

A lot of states are removing restrictions for under 18 workers.

Also, drinking age is 21.

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Post by ziddoap »

oliwarner wrote: post #313
thomastjeffery wrote: post #268

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What? That's literally what we are talking about !

No, we're talking about stopping children having social media accounts.

How do you imagine that will be enforced? Perhaps by... ID?

Do you have another method to prove age? One that doesn't require ID, and can be implemented as of today?

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by paulddraper »

morkalork wrote: post #273
oliwarner wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H.B.3 only prohibits these minors holding accounts on social media. They can still browse, as can anyone without an account and age verification. You'd be able to view a business's information, watch videos, etc etc etc, just not create your own. It also has conditions for which sites are affected by this law. The site has to have doomscroll and already be popular with kids. Google Maps isn't what they're targeting.…

This is not true! I was looking at a hair salon and bakery recently. Both, being run by millennials, have nothing but a google maps listing and an Instagram account. But I don't have one and after looking at a few photos of cakes and hairstyles, it gives me the boot and asks me to sign in to see more! Adding mandatory government ID to that is crazy.

Instagram gives you like half a scroll.

Facebook is more generous.

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Post by hackable_sand »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #115
lolinder wrote: post #111

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There isn't really such a question. The law explicitly requires anonymous third-party age verification to be offered as an option. There are definitely concerns about how well that will work in practice, and I would definitely want to wait and see how it works in Florida before advocating for a wider rollout, but this Florida bill is actually the most reasonable of these age verification requirements rolled out to da…

If you think kids won’t route around this then you don’t know kids. Its a political move for desantis to rally his base, nothing more.

The more insidious undertone is that Florida is (or is establishing legal precedence for) policing information access.

If anything is detrimental to the health of a child, it's a restricted worldview.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by KaiserPro »

AlexandrB wrote: post #316
haswell wrote: post #143

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There’s some survivorship bias here. Not everyone who was exposed to disturbing content is unaffected or can move past it so easily. And in 2024, it’s far more likely to encounter something you had no intention of seeing. It’s worth thinking about the social climate right now as the long tail of the last 25-30 years of technology advancement. Mass shootings are so common now they often don’t even register on people’s…

> And in 2024, it’s far more likely to encounter something you had no intention of seeing. Strongly disagree. I haven't stumbled on "goatse" level shock imagery in years. Sure you might encounter stuff you had no intention of seeing, but that's only because you're being funnelled into link farms or other for-profit crapware flooding the internet. It's very rare to stumble on something disturbing.

In the last year I have seen (on facebook no less):

various levels of war crime

the killing of people at close quarters (with the last sound that they made, which still haunts me)

A sniper killing someone taking a poo.

These were nestled in amongst memes, which were fun and engaging. None of them had content warnings.

goatse wasn't all that shocking to me, because he is very much alive. 2 girls one cup is at least a ramp into skat, rather than straight in.

Now, if a 16 year old saw that, I'd probably not worry too much, I wouldn't be happy. But if my 10 year old, or 6 year old saw that, I'd have a whole load of emotional clean up to do.

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