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Launch HN: CommodityAI (YC W24) – Shipment management for commodity traders

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Hi HN! We’re Daniel, Philip, and Kyle, cofounders of CommodityAI (https://commodityai.io). We make commodity shipments easy to manage.

Commodities are the center of global trade. The food you eat and the coffee you drink all start with agricultural producers. A trader organizes a shipment of it to a receiver near you, who then manufactures and distributes it to your local supermarket or coffee shop.

That sounds simple enough, but any shipment involving commodities involves around 200 processes, at least 50 documents, and extensive coordination through emails and phone calls. The amount of paper and processes is staggering. Errors can be catastrophically costly, ending up with lawsuits over millions of dollars.

Commodity trading companies allocate 40% of their workforce to logistics and operations. It’s a relationship-focused business. These aren't trading firms with Bloomberg terminals doing spot trading with algorithms all day. They are trading actual physical commodities. Many of these deals are agreed on via text message.

Now imagine you're managing thousands of shipments a month. Nearly every trader we’ve talked to can recall a time in the past 6 months where a document or process error resulted in the firm losing hundreds of thousands of dollars.

This led us to explore how we could tailor AI, automation, and collaboration tools to automate the handling of shipment workflows for more efficient operations and accurate documentation. Our team has the background to solve this problem—an ex-sugar trader with 8 years of experience and two engineers with a combined 14 years of experience from logistics and software companies.

There are a few layers to solving the pain points of these customers:

(1) Data Preprocessing: we give them a way to clean up and organize their existing data, which is usually a mess. We help them process documents, classify them, extract relevant fields, organize them by shipments, and search for them.

(2) We use AI and automation to leverage OCR, Multi-Modal Transformers, and indexing methods across 150+ different commodity and logistics document types to automate business processes.

(3) Actions and Workflows: Once the data is processed, we enable users to take actions or kickoff workflows with them, such as entering data into ERPs, using AI agents to compose emails, update freight matrices, track their shipments and predict delays, and more. All of these things are things the user does manually currently and are prone to error, so we automate them to save time and money. An ops team currently spends 60% of their day on these tasks. With our initial product, we are already saving them 2 hours a day.

Our customers so far include one of the largest U.S. agricultural traders, who use our platform to process over a million documents and automate internal workflows, like creating vessel nominations and updating shipment statuses. They also use us to find critical documents quickly. Importers and exporters randomly get audited to make sure the commodity they declared matches what was actually delivered (quality, weight, polarization). These audits can happen years after the shipment, and searching for the relevant documents is a needle/haystack situation. Sometimes they have been unable to find them, and you can imagine how well that goes over with the auditors. We make this easy.

We can’t give HN readers direct access to the product because it can only be used if you have commodity data and that data is sensitive. But here’s a video showing how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slOGliSR6IM#t=26s

There probably aren’t too many commodity traders checking HN every day, but we figure some of you have worked as traders or know traders from previous work experience, and we’d love to hear whatever you think about this!

Re: Launch HN: CommodityAI (YC W24) – Shipment management for commodity traders

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Congrats and keep up the good work! Can you describe your tech stack and challenges you faced in your first 6 months - we love to learn from your experiences.

Hey there!

We have worked extensively with many of the latest LLM models and tried many different techniques to solve the various problems for our customers.

We use a combination of tools from Google and OpenAI to leverage LLMs. We use React and Heroku to support the web application.

The biggest challenge so far has been getting good field extraction and the ability to accurately search millions of documents using NLP. We've iterated our tools several times and finally reached a good solution that adequately solves the biggest needs of our customers.

We've built a RAG and iterated several times in order to try and get the best configurations for our customers.

Re: Launch HN: CommodityAI (YC W24) – Shipment management for commodity traders

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I was doing AI implementations for a company in Oil and Refined products. And I can tell you that AI can massively improve the processes and and streamline their operations. In fact, it can easily transform any data entry to structure data without the needless sw development of API integrations and gateways.

My first point as a contribution is, traders are lazy and operators are control freaks. In a way traders only care about doing deals so any trade entry in a system us prone to errors and misalignment, such as the ETRM system's reference data. And Operators are control freaks in a way that if they find our that your AI missed a single entry they will mistrust it forever. They rather spend more time copy pasting that to trust your AI. But any automation is welcome they still want to have control (which some in contrast will argue that that control is a nuisance and a waste of time).

Oh well, though customers is what they are.

I am really happy to know that there are others trying to solve the same problems in a world of ineffectiveness.

Re: Launch HN: CommodityAI (YC W24) – Shipment management for commodity traders

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post #6

I was doing AI implementations for a company in Oil and Refined products. And I can tell you that AI can massively improve the processes and and streamline their operations. In fact, it can easily transform any data entry to structure data without the needless sw development of API integrations and gateways. My first point as a contribution is, traders are lazy and operators are control freaks. In a way traders only…

Yes, we have noticed traders just want to make more deals, and operators require their information to be accurate.

We are trying to develop super sleek and intuitive tools built to help traders update their ERP systems using LLMs and generative AI to better format their data.

We hope to prove that operators can actually get more accurate data into their systems faster because we provide tools for data entry that make it a breeze to get accurate data.

Additionally, we're trying to help our customers expand their businesses as well. As operations are generally their bottleneck, traders may not expand into business sectors because they are turned off by the overhead required to manage the operations.

Re: Launch HN: CommodityAI (YC W24) – Shipment management for commodity traders

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What commodities are you focused on? Like, softs, energy, metals etc

Our first few customers are agriculture based. Sugar, Coffee, Cocoa and more things like this that have similar distribution supply chains.

We believe we have the tools and expertise to expand to energy and metal in the future. They are much different, but we believe with the tools we have developed, they can be repurposed quickly to support a wide range of commodities.

Re: Launch HN: CommodityAI (YC W24) – Shipment management for commodity traders

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Out of interest, why not start a commodity trading house instead?

We have had this thought was well. It's tough to go into a vertical with software because you end up with tools that make it easier to get an edge, and then why not just trade yourself?

Generally, we just enjoy building software and it suits our personalities better. But we do believe that it is a good benchmark for our product to think, "could we use our tools to have a better edge in the market if we were a trade house."

Great question!

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