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When did dogs become our best friends?

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Post by nealabq »

sph wrote: post #197
bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #121

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Just as there are places where eating canids and felids is not taboo - so too are there places where eating a primate is not taboo. A larger geography by far as far as I know. By this argument and amount of places (not people), eating a primate might be less taboo than eating a canid or felid? As an American, I feel the same cultural taboos and they’ve kept me from eating some things but I’ve been reconsidering. Hors…

I think the issue with predators is that they taste "bad" compared to herbivores. Maybe we have evolved not to like they because of bioaccumulation, i.e. its not just a cultural norm. I cannot think of a land-dwelling meat-eating animal human routinely eat. We eat chicken, but they eat anything including rocks, and they're towards the bottom rank of good-tasting meats anyway.

You hear of people occasionally eating frog-legs, alligator, rattlesnake. But maybe these also taste "bad". And since frogs are insect eaters, maybe bioaccumulation isn't as much an issue.

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Post by klyrs »

hackable_sand wrote: post #220
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Missed opportunity here. I found a number of gun racks for bikes, but no hardpoint mounts for gun turrets on bikes.

https://silodrome.com/columbia-military-pneumatic-safety-bic... For when you need to deliver a really, really important message.

Pfft, it only aims forward. Surely we can do better.

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Post by newsclues »

matwood wrote: post #17
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Lived on a farm with a 100 acres a dog could roam freely in. Live in a suburban house with a small back yard and a small dog doesn't like it and wants to roam. Dogs are great in rural areas, in cities I think they suffer for the sake of humans.

Really depends on the dog. The problem is that people get high activity working dogs and then don't work them.

It’s not just the exercise but enjoyment of the outdoors and nature.

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Post by hasty_pudding »

schwartzworld wrote: post #184
hasty_pudding wrote: post #174

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My dog has pooped in my backyard for years and nothing but thick quality grass everywhere. probably because most kibble is vegetable based and vegetable based poop is good for the grass. maybe you fed your dog more meat? if your dog's poop is killing the grass you're doing something seriously wrong with its diet.

> most kibble is vegetable based Most cheap kibble maybe. > if your dog's poop is killing the grass you're doing something seriously wrong with its diet. If yours isn't, I think _you_ might be doing something wrong with its diet. https://lawnlove.com/blog/is-dog-poop-bad-for-grass/

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Post by samatman »

llamaimperative wrote: post #203
samatman wrote: post #185

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Those laws aren't dog ownership requirements in New York City, though. Which is the topic I was replying to. It wasn't a statement about all laws everywhere.

They literally are: you are required to vaccinate and register your dog in NYC and your dog is required to wear proof of this vaccination at all times in public.

Ah, I didn't realize you were the person I was replying to, and assumed that the "airing of grievances" bit was directed at me. My reference to "those laws" was to the ones you said have disparate racial impact and are enforced. I still think that NYC is unlikely to start robustly enforcing the ones you are talking about.

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Post by proc0 »

Intralexical wrote: post #218
proc0 wrote: post #212

Dogs are little more than farm animals, in the sense that we're farming them for companionship. They might be our friends now that we have killed all the ones that would defy our commands. Look at any wild animal, do they want to be owned, do they want to be put on a leash? Of course not. Animals want to be free like any other living being, but just like cows, dogs would not survive on their own because we have artif…

> Animals want to be free like any other living being, That's a nice thought, but in reality there are plenty of humans even that just get overwhelmed and scared at the thought of freedom, whether their own or other people's, and actively demand, seek, and create rigid and oppressive systems of rules and restrictions in order to trade freedom away for predictability. Otherwise… The entire human world would likely be…

Ok, sure, maybe not all animals would feel that way, but I think probably all mammals or at least the smarter ones (relatively speaking). If dogs "want" to be pets, it's for the same reasons cows "want" to be farm animals, but it would be far-fetched to say a cow wants to be slaughtered and eaten. Sure a pet dog is not food, but compared to their wolf ancestors, they are far from their ideal natural state (if they have one at this point, which I guess is arguable, just like with cows).

I guess I'm mostly pointing to a double standard between pets and farm animals. I eat meat, so I'm not advocating for any solution on either case here, just making an observation that potentially we are farming animals for more than food, and there aren't any movements advocating for the release of pets or alternatives to animal companionship.

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Post by lukan »

zen928 wrote: post #205
lukan wrote: post #158

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"Do you relatively equate this to how we treat other animals right now" I only talked about dogs and humans.

Yeah, it's a bit narrow minded to exclude the rest of the historical context while comparing two isolated points in time. Sure makes an entirely emotion-driven plea look initially more compelling and legitimate though! Good for you on sticking to your preferred form of discourse.

Are you .. serious?

Do you really think it makes sense to always talk about everything? The topic was about dogs and humans and this is what I was talking about. Nothing more, even though surely I could. Topics are connected and I do not neceasarily disagree to what you said, but sorry, this is indeed not my preferred form of discourse.

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Post by leosanchez »

ViktorRay wrote: post #207
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I know. I was just curious if there is any other country that revere cows.

Don’t forget Nepal! Nepal’s population is 82 percent Hindu. This means many people from Nepal respect cows very much. It is legal to eat beef in Nepal and many major hotels will serve it. However, it is illegal to kill a cow within the country.

Thanks didn't know that.

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Post by CalRobert »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #170
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Dog poop can blind children and is horrible for the environment. https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/toxocariasis/ https://www.popsci.com/environment/dog-poop-pollution/

DONT EAT THE POOP. and you won't get that disease. Problem solved. And dont let your kids eat any animal poop

Children often touch things in the grass and then touch their faces or put their fingers in their mouth

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Post by [deleted] »

callalex wrote: post #104
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I've made this argument many times and it always raises eyebrows and induces shrugs. We as a species co-evolved with some animals and not others. Our partnership with extends deep into the mists of pre-history. We and they have co-evolved to an extent to be better companions. Eating a dog is a profound betrayal unlike that of eating a horse. Come at me

This is like arguing about if it’s better to regularly beat your sibling or your cousin. Just don’t beat anybody!

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