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The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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The problem with updates. For me at least. Is that I'm never sure if I really hate them because they're worse, or if I hate them because I've gotten used to how things are. Windows XP was peak os for me, but I think it's better now overall, I just preferred/learned XP.

Well, the question is do you think something gets better occasionally? Windows XP was good for its time. Vista was a disaster but I understand its necessity. Windows 7 was actively good. Windows 8 was a disaster. Windows 10 has been just okay. Windows 11 is an unmitigated disaster. Windows is now such a disaster that it is permanent VM bait, and I never see that changing ever again.

Why is Windows 11 a disaster? What am I missing?

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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After every Windows update I tend to open Everything search, look for certain "msedge.exe", "bing", "teams", "onedrive", and "outlook" files that may have creeped into my computer. I've learned which to delete, and which files I should leave alone. I use "EMCO UnLock IT" to get rid of the locked files. Rarely I also hunt down garbage in the registry, and that also took experience to learn what to leave alone.

That is sooo much hassle just to install a plain update. At what point does it become enough of a distraction for people to abandon windows?

It recently passed that point for me, and I've moved my Win10 computers to Linux (Ubuntu for now).

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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There is some deep cognitive dissonance going on with windows users in the last 5 years especially I've noticed. Nearly every new thing that happens has the people I know who are on it complaining loudly, desperately trying to hold on to old versions, creating all sorts of workarounds to fight against the operating system But the same people will still take every opportunity to make the same tired jokes about how I m…

There's no real alternative for many things people care about. Windows 11 can still run Windows 98 software with minimal headache. Maybe Valve with Proton will get there someday. If it's not your daily driver e.g. using a MacBook for day-to-day, it's tolerable albeit annoying. Just go make a coffee while boot hangs on the "preparing windows updates" screen for 5 minutes.

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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Apple do this with software that doesn't participate in an Apple Developer account.

It's complete bullshit, because the actual notarization service for Apple Developers DOES NOTHING ABOUT MALWARE AT ALL.

Yet they boldly claim, Chromium, for example is potentially MALWARE worded and presented in a way that suggests it probably is Malware.

Every single argument I've heard in some attempt to justify this is that it makes the Macos platform more secure. Except how that is achieved is anyone's guess, since there is no quality scanning whatsoever.

It's just another rent seeking move by a company that gives no sh!ts.

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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There is some deep cognitive dissonance going on with windows users in the last 5 years especially I've noticed. Nearly every new thing that happens has the people I know who are on it complaining loudly, desperately trying to hold on to old versions, creating all sorts of workarounds to fight against the operating system But the same people will still take every opportunity to make the same tired jokes about how I m…

There's no real alternative for many things people care about. Windows 11 can still run Windows 98 software with minimal headache. Maybe Valve with Proton will get there someday. If it's not your daily driver e.g. using a MacBook for day-to-day, it's tolerable albeit annoying. Just go make a coffee while boot hangs on the "preparing windows updates" screen for 5 minutes.

I mean I think Proton's focus is on games, and it's been quite a while since I ran into any that didn't work pretty trivially. I guess I don't game enough to bother trying to get malware-like anti-cheat things to play nice with my systems but I think that's more out of my distrust outweighing my need to play the game rather than because it's a headache, but that does seem to be the last real frontier of compatibility in that space

As for other things, like various hyperspecific professional software people are locked into, I've got nothing but sympathy for those folks. It's a rough situation and it's not their fault. It'll take people who care about those domains doing software projects to help open up those areas more. I will note that I know people producing content who have been going over to FOSS video editors and the like lately, and I can't say for sure whether this is the platforms getting worse or the FOSS getting better, but I think either way alternatives exert positive pressure on the ecosystem as a whole. I do think it would help a lot if professionals in many areas would be a bit more willing to at least try alternatives, as the reaction to projects aiming to give them choices tends to be derision and dismissal. Like, okay some stuff isn't there yet, but I think it would benefit you if it was, even if you personally don't use it

If there's anything people should have learned from the last few decades, it's that no company will ever love or care about you, and a company that deserves your trust is rare to the point of near-extinction in this environment. And yet people actively bemoaning how these companies are shaking them down will at the same time act and speak against their own interests out of brand loyalty. Perhaps it is because so many have come to define themselves by their choices as consumers. It's hard not to see identity itself as a sort of scam in this kind of environment

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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Mac updates made me think I had malware too. It randomly pops up a box that says System Update needs your administrator password. Completely unprompted, zero context. Sketchy as hell looking. Happens every time MacOS downloads an automatic update.

Whilst I agree that this is an annoyance and can form bad habits in users (as another comment pointed out), in modern macOS systems, what you’re actually being asked for is the credentials of the “volume owner” to perform a change to the sealed system volume. This is indicated in the dialog, but agree that it could be clearer and less jarring.

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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After every Windows update I tend to open Everything search, look for certain "msedge.exe", "bing", "teams", "onedrive", and "outlook" files that may have creeped into my computer. I've learned which to delete, and which files I should leave alone. I use "EMCO UnLock IT" to get rid of the locked files. Rarely I also hunt down garbage in the registry, and that also took experience to learn what to leave alone.

That is sooo much hassle just to install a plain update. At what point does it become enough of a distraction for people to abandon windows?

Yes, it's ridiculous. It's more of an OCD hobby for me, where I experience satisfaction "fighting" Microsoft every time I delete their garbage.

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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That is sooo much hassle just to install a plain update. At what point does it become enough of a distraction for people to abandon windows?

It recently passed that point for me, and I've moved my Win10 computers to Linux (Ubuntu for now).

I've tried several times to actually move to a Linux distro, whether Ubuntu, Pop_OS, Mint, even Zorin.

I found none that have the same quality of graphics crispiness (for my 4K laptop screen) and "snappiness". Windows still seems to work better overall than my experience with Linux. And also the drivers and apps (like browsers) in Windows seem more stable.

Re: The new Windows update made me think I'd installed malware

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Is it possible that the team responsible for this isn't even in the US, so that maybe their position with their job isn't as tolerant of the coders doing anything but banging code?

Because people feel so angry with malware authors and scammers it's hard to accept that those people may themselves be under duress. In some places kids get invited to a "dream tech job" interview only to find the door locked behind them and a list of 100 computers to infect each day if they want food. Not saying M$ do that, but given their ethics track record and the harm their substandard cruft wreaks, I'd only be…

are you telling me that Microsoft would kidnap kids to code MS Windows, their core offering, and then threaten them if they don't deliver?

or any of their other, billion-dollar-tier revenue generating offerings, like Azure, or Active Directory, or MSSQL, or Xbox, etc.?

do you have any idea how the FAANGM (MANGA?) world works?

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