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William Adams: English Advisor to the Shogun

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Re: William Adams: English Advisor to the Shogun

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Yes, he never returned to England. The Shogunate declared "William Adams" dead and "Miura Anjin" born, by which legal fiction he could remarry.

Was there really a legitimate legal issue needed to be accounted for at the time, across these borders? Additionally, ostensibly to Adams, it would have been something he would have to answer to his creator for moreso than the crown or Shogun, if he was a true believer anyway.

If I was to guess, probably yes but on the Japanese side.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, he never returned to England. The Shogunate declared "William Adams" dead and "Miura Anjin" born, by which legal fiction he could remarry.

Was there really a legitimate legal issue needed to be accounted for at the time, across these borders? Additionally, ostensibly to Adams, it would have been something he would have to answer to his creator for moreso than the crown or Shogun, if he was a true believer anyway.

Polygamy (as in being married to more than one person) isn't and wasn't legal in Japan. I don't see how it would in any way be feasible or acceptable to take a new wife in Japan of all places, where honor and family are such important aspects of their culture, while already married.

Re: William Adams: English Advisor to the Shogun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, he never returned to England. The Shogunate declared "William Adams" dead and "Miura Anjin" born, by which legal fiction he could remarry.

Was there really a legitimate legal issue needed to be accounted for at the time, across these borders? Additionally, ostensibly to Adams, it would have been something he would have to answer to his creator for moreso than the crown or Shogun, if he was a true believer anyway.

> Additionally, ostensibly to Adams, it would have been something he would have to answer to his creator for moreso than the crown or Shogun, if he was a true believer anyway.

I mean, bear in mind that about 30 years before Adams was born, Henry VIII had broken with Rome so that he could get a divorce. Religious views on the sanctity of marriage in England were, ah, evolving rapidly at this point.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, he never returned to England. The Shogunate declared "William Adams" dead and "Miura Anjin" born, by which legal fiction he could remarry.

Was there really a legitimate legal issue needed to be accounted for at the time, across these borders? Additionally, ostensibly to Adams, it would have been something he would have to answer to his creator for moreso than the crown or Shogun, if he was a true believer anyway.

If he was known or reasonably believed to the Japanese to be married, yes, there was a legal issue.

Re: William Adams: English Advisor to the Shogun

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James Clavell wrote Shogun which is (very, very) loosely based on this. A fun read in any case.

Also recently released as a series on Hulu. Pretty faithful to the book from what I've seen so far.

I’ve felt like it’s deviated quite a bit, but it’s well made nonetheless

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Also recently released as a series on Hulu. Pretty faithful to the book from what I've seen so far.

I’ve felt like it’s deviated quite a bit, but it’s well made nonetheless

The new show has been made more accurate to the time period, they had historical experts come in. Plus the guy who plays Toranaga is an amateur historian of the time period and helped a lot.

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For folk interested in learning more about what historians and similar think of the novel, a compilation of essays on the subject titled "Learning from SHOGUN: Japanese History and Western Fantasy" has been made available courtesy of the compilation's editor, Henry Smith.: https://www.columbia.edu/~hds2/learning/

I've always wondered about the accuracy of the book, in part because the junior samurai kill themselves a LOT. They're forced to commit seppuku for being late to their work in the morning. There's a scene where a samurai jumps off a cliff to his death just get his boss's attention (I guess yelling would have been rude).

Also ninjas are depicted as super-powerful badasses. Which fits the legend, certainly, but isn't particularly realistic.

This collection doesn't address those criticisms -- it's more of a literary analysis than a set of fact checks. But I'd still like to know.

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There's several interesting stories like Adam's.

In the early 1600s a number of Dutchmen ended up in Joseon Dynasty Korea, which was still recovering from a series of devastating invasions from Japan which ended in 1598 (which are also talked about in the show Shogun). Desperate for military advancement, these foreigners, while entering an officially closed kingdom, where integrated into society as military advisors. The geopolitical realities that are in the show very much affected the region, and the introduction of Christianity, first by the Catholics, and then by other denominations has had profound impacts in East Asia through today.

- in 1627 the Dutchman Jan Jansz Weltevree and some of this crewmates ended up marooned in Korea where they were asked to produce artillery for the Joseon dynasty. Weltevree took a Korean name, got married, has some children and even passed the Korean civil service exam becoming a proper Korean official. [1]

- in 1653 his countryman Hendrik Hamel shipwrecked in Korea with almost 40 other crewmates and eventually met Weltevree who helped translate for them. Like his compatriots, they were tasked with being military advisors.

Hamel eventually escaped Korea and made it back to Amsterdam by way of Nagasaki in 1668 where he published his journals, marking the first Western contact with Korea that was reported back to Europe. [2][3]

- Predating Adams by just a few years, in 1579, an African arrived in Japan with a Jesuit mission. He became a retainer to Oda Nabunaga, one of the three unifiers of Japan. He had a brief but interesting career as a Samurai and was given the name Yasuke, then when Nabunaga fell went back to the Jesuits.

- The Catholic missionary work in Korea started by the Jesuits in 1593, and like Japan became a powerful political and economic force. The Joseon dynasty had enough of it after a while and attempted a series of major purges, killing thousands of converted Catholics until the 19th century. The Church has continued to be a source of revolutionary support in South Korea up until the modern 21st century. But most Korean Christians are not-Catholic today as later missionary groups from other denominations were less politically threatening and seen as potential balances of power against the Catholic influence in Korean. Very notably, Pyongyang was the seat of Presbyterian Christianity before the civil war, and it's well understood that the founders of North Korea, the Kim family, were once a notable Presbyterian family with a few ministers in the line.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jansz_Weltevree

2 - https://archive.org/details/journaelvandeongeluckigevoyagiev...

3 - https://archive.org/details/coreawithoutwith00grif

Re: William Adams: English Advisor to the Shogun

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He even got his own video game: https://koei.fandom.com/wiki/William_Adams#Nioh Don't expect a historically correct storyline though ;)

It was a pretty fun game, but has that Team Ninja level of difficulty that I just don't find fun--despite finding FromSoft difficulty really enjoyable.

I had the same issue with Wo Long.

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