I'm curious how this relates to neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic learning where someone has weak rote-memorization skills and mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations. For me, I can't remember that I have an appointment tomorrow, but if you ask me how computers work, I'll start with explaining electron orbitals and band gaps, doping, masking, VLSI, assembly language, C, functional programming and where AI is…
'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
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Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
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Hi - I had similar experiences to you, but an old boss pulled me aside explained everything. For context, I was not doing great at work, I was missing deadlines, would get accounts confused, etc. While I was getting chewed out, he rattled off all the relevant numbers/structures/people for all the things I was missing. He told me he knew I didn’t care about my job because I couldn’t remember the details of my job. If…
I'm glad this worked for you, but I don't think that you understand OP's central argument about the penalties imposed by the substantial ergonomic mismatch between ADHD "smart" and the conventional species, and may not have as strong a sense of what being on the inside of this condition feels like. ADHD wiring essentially forces every task to be derived from a set of fundamental axioms about why the task must e done,…
Is this something you figured out through introspection of your own experience or is there something you read that showed you it was ADHD that was the root cause? Are you formally diagnosed?
Were you able to find treatment and solutions? Is there anything I might ask a medical professional to help me figure things out?
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
#103I'm curious how this relates to neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic learning where someone has weak rote-memorization skills and mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations. For me, I can't remember that I have an appointment tomorrow, but if you ask me how computers work, I'll start with explaining electron orbitals and band gaps, doping, masking, VLSI, assembly language, C, functional programming and where AI is…
Your interests seem to lie closer to the systems and hardware side. Can you elaborate on why your career is in CRUD apps? What about working for SpaceX?
I'll lump the comment by ghufran_syed in with this. I'm fond of SpaceX and deeply admire what they're doing. But honestly my heart is in helping people, rather than taking humanity to new heights. I originally wanted to be a genetic engineer back in the '80s during the AIDS crisis, and because progress on cancer was glacial then. Prejudice was a lot higher than it is today. So the powers that be didn't want to do a moonshot for genetics like they did with the X Prize in the '90s, and I went into tech instead. Today if I could do it all over again, I'd like to see a moonshot to cure all genetic disorders by 2030 with tools like CRISPR and mRNA vaccines.
Loosely that just means that from the context of a show like For All Mankind, I identify more with NASA than I do with Helios. Although Dev Ayesa's non-hierarchical work structure resonates with me more than what Elon Musk is doing. Ayesa's was the original vision of the '90s tech scene that we've lost today under wealth inequality.
On that note, I'm concerned about Musk's embrace of center-right politics and the cognitive dissonance we're seeing around free-speech-for-some. Humanity is moving the opposite direction towards egalitarianism. I hope that he comes around, but until then, I can't really endorse any of his companies anymore. And that makes me sad on a profound level. I'm sick of losing my heroes.
Anyway, the gatekeeping around medicine is so high that maybe I let myself give up on the dream of genetics. Which is sad too, because AI is what will solve it. We don't have large epidemiological studies or a simulation where we can rapidly iterate on cures. Although we do have a mountain of data in Ancestry and 23andme. I don't think that medical researchers have any idea what programmers would be capable of in that space if we were given autonomy. Ethics aside, I see that as the last frontier until we move out into the stars.
Sooo, with my passions out of reach, I turned towards basic survival, mostly CRUD apps to make rent. It's hard to climb a corporate ladder when getting to the top doesn't mean anything to oneself. I don't want success, I want financial freedom so that I can start getting real work done outside of external expectation. To invent real solutions that would help free people from their day to day chores and bills so they can self-actualize. That's why I'm such a proponent of UBI. When any of us struggle, we all struggle.
So far none of the projects I've been involved with have won the internet lottery yet. And my body/psyche won't let me work through burnout like I used to. Somehow I have to start over, and that's daunting. I suspect I'm not alone in that feeling.
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
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But you're living in US. In US you got paid crazy salaries for programming. Why do you work at failed startups? Just get some job with crazy salary, work there for 5 years and then retire.
As GP refers to >> neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic >> paid crazy salaries for programming may be it's difficult to go through the typical interview loops for such jobs as they are not designed to be inclusive for ND etc despite all the diversity and inclusion BS (more often than not) at such workplaces.
My struggles were largely due to moving back to the city nearest to where I grew up after college, which wasn't a tech hub for 20 years, although it's becoming one now. So I've been on a career odyssey. Now most of what I know is obsolete, but I'm having a hard time adapting to my new reality after so many decades of negative reinforcement. I agree with Paul Graham about moving to where the energy is. Network effects are everything.
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
#105I'm curious how this relates to neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic learning where someone has weak rote-memorization skills and mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations. For me, I can't remember that I have an appointment tomorrow, but if you ask me how computers work, I'll start with explaining electron orbitals and band gaps, doping, masking, VLSI, assembly language, C, functional programming and where AI is…
You know I was watching Amadeus about 15 years ago. It was the first time I had even heard about Salieri. In one of the first scenes an aged Salieri fails at a suicide attempt. Enraged and out of his mind he yells past his wardens (I think at a mental asylum) - "I am Antonio Salieri - the patron saint of mediocrity". WTF I thought to myself. The "second best" musician was bemoaning his mediocrity. What ever hope woul…
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
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I think where their attention is and therefore what gets encoded is similar to the rest of us. In one instance they were unable to recall what the interviewers were wearing after spending two hours with them. They remember their experiences visually, essentially. So if information was not actually recorded, it can't be searched for. On a different note, I'm curious how long people with photographic memory store the i…
Is there any solid evidence that photographic memory exists?
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm glad this worked for you, but I don't think that you understand OP's central argument about the penalties imposed by the substantial ergonomic mismatch between ADHD "smart" and the conventional species, and may not have as strong a sense of what being on the inside of this condition feels like. ADHD wiring essentially forces every task to be derived from a set of fundamental axioms about why the task must e done,…
This describes much of my own experience, but I didn't know it might be attributable to ADHD. Is this something you figured out through introspection of your own experience or is there something you read that showed you it was ADHD that was the root cause? Are you formally diagnosed? Were you able to find treatment and solutions? Is there anything I might ask a medical professional to help me figure things out?
Due to coincidence I happened to have a professor in college who was the same person my parents had been referred to (on my behalf) for behavioral examination and intervention following a sudden precipitous drop in school performance between ages 8 and 9.
This person had given me a battery of performance tests yielding unambiguous data indicating that the deficiency in academic performance (and comorbid peer group socialization problems) resulted from an excess of raw ability. Emphasis on 'raw.'
In those days (80's) this was quite counterintuitive, and perhaps still is. Separate classes for gifted students did not yet exist in our district - "gifted" was still a novety also. Skipping a grade (the conventional solution) was likely to aggravate the problem instead of addressing it. So my circumstances prompted the creation of a trial program mainly so that I could attend it, though I resented being singled out and separated from the few friends I had. to my great relief half a dozen or so other students quickly joined once the program became a reality.
Once we both acknowledged that we had encountered one another many years before, my professor asked whether I had interest in testing again, because they saw that well over a decade of growth had done little to improve the fundamental challenges I faced, though I had become much better at masking them from others as well as from myself.
In the intervening time, the diagnostic profile of ADD had become formalized and increasingly visible outside medical circles, though still mainly centered on early childhood dev stages. They recommended that I look in to getting a formal diagnosis, because although they believed they saw pretty obvious signs I fit this profile, this did not amount to a professional diagnosis.
I, being a teenager still, reflexively rebuffed the entire notion that I might need psychiatric evaluation, or could be meaningfully affected (much less improved) by medication - something I associated with "weakness."
This would turn out to be a catastrophic misjudgement, and although I did eventually get a formal diagnosis and a protocol, delaying for more than a decade was the most regrettable self-inflicted setback of my life, one that unquestionably cost many millions over the next 20 years.
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
#108I'm curious how this relates to neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic learning where someone has weak rote-memorization skills and mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations. For me, I can't remember that I have an appointment tomorrow, but if you ask me how computers work, I'll start with explaining electron orbitals and band gaps, doping, masking, VLSI, assembly language, C, functional programming and where AI is…
> mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations.
I have described this as a graph representation, without any visual/dimensional embedding. I naturally represent things as configurations of connected things, both in long term and working term memory.
I have that same uniformly connected view of existence, from spacetime Planck distances and quarks on up, through chemistry, life and artifacts, through to societies and systems. It is one graph.
And also no practical sense of time, but see our history from the big bang, to alternate universe endings, with all our history and current events along the way, and our quantum multiverse foam of versions that we cut through, as one seamless thing.
One drawback, is I often have trouble putting into words something I can clearly "see", on the spot without effort. Even with regard to "normal" topics. Too many connections, in familiar or tractable forms (to me), that we don't have words for.
Although given time I can explain things well, I just have to compile the order I see into words.
And I have no trouble visualizing and spacial reasoning about anything dimensional/graphical.
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Super side track, for extending spacial visualization:
Imagine points in space whose brightness vary, and must have the same brightness to collide. That's 4D.
Now imagine groups of points changing both their brightness and position at the same rate, regardless of the relative differences in brightness and position. Those points are translating through 4D space together. Move points together through normal 3D space, and through brightness changes, and then different amounts of each together with varying rates of change, or even cyclical change. That's general 4D translation.
Now consider and practice how to dynamically tradeoff between a points brightness and its distance in any 3D direction, using a sin/cos relationship. Starting rotating between one of x, y and z, against w (brightness) is easy - it is just 2D but with different pairs of axes. Then practicing rotating between brightness an any 3D direction. Then a series of partial rotations, between brightness and various 3D directions. Finally, work out how to rotate a 4D point around the direction defined by the origin to another 4D point. That is general 4D rotation.
That was the hardest step. All down hill now...
Practice rotating and translating 1D lines and line segments, by translating and rotating their points together.
Now practice the same for 3D planes, triangles, squares, etc
Practice visualizing, translating and rotating the points of 3D objects. Then 4D shapes, starting with a 5-point 4D pyramids and 16-point hypercubes.
Imagine objects constructed from several hypercubes, starting with the 4D equivalent of three hypercubes making an L-shaped object, a 5-h-cube plus, etc. Add/remove hypercubes. Add/remove hypercube spaces within a hypercube.
Then start to play around with 3D in a 4D environment. For instance, start with a cube with an empty cube center, and pass another cube that starts outside of it, into its center, without touching, using the 4th dimension. "Paint" a 3D cube, or 3D pyramid, onto a 3D side of a 4D cube. Etc.
Once you get familiar with using brightness to visualize the 4th dimension. This takes no work at all, you are now familiar with the 4D and don't need that hook anymore. e across a lot of situations, you can stop treating
Now you can reintroduce brightness as a hood to starting exploring 5D. :)
I don't think our brains have any barrier to higher dimensional reasoning, except lack of exposure and familiarity.
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The variety of internal representations we must all have will be interesting to discover, catalogue and compare, if we can one day detect and watch our detailed thoughts in action.
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
But you're living in US. In US you got paid crazy salaries for programming. Why do you work at failed startups? Just get some job with crazy salary, work there for 5 years and then retire.
As GP refers to >> neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic >> paid crazy salaries for programming may be it's difficult to go through the typical interview loops for such jobs as they are not designed to be inclusive for ND etc despite all the diversity and inclusion BS (more often than not) at such workplaces.
Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science
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What makes you say that autistic people have weak rote but strong associative memory? One common feature of high functioning autistics is an obsession with the memorization of minutiae (on some topic of intense interest) without at all understanding context. For example, a former classics professor I knew told us about a relative of his who memorized the entire Persian king list for dozens of dynasties long. He could…
Good question. I might be more like 80/20 ADHD/autistic and have mostly learned about the (monotropism?) symptoms from @nd_psych on TikTok. I spend an inordinate amount of time simulating other people's minds trying to understand how they arrive at conclusions that don't make sense to me, in pathological demand avoidance (PDA), and in autistic burnout due to masking. I don't seem to have the stereotypical pedantic/cr…
https://tendingpaths.wordpress.com/2022/12/12/updated-autism...