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Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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I moved to Berlin from Helsinki (another regional start-up hub) last March: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/hacker-nomadism/

There are several things that I've been positively surprised about:

* Cost of living is really cheap. Now when I travel to France or Finland I feel everything is expensive there

* Berlin is very well connected with rest of Europe (trains, flights)

* The hacker scene here is great (huge meetups, etc)

On the slightly negative side:

* bureaucracy is ten years behind Finland. You still need to visit an office to get anything done instead of doing things over the browser

* Rental agencies really try to fleece you

Since moving inside Europe is really simple, I'd urge anybody curious to take a shot and stay here for a while. For example a month in some co-working space.

Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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I moved to Berlin from Helsinki (another regional start-up hub) last March: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/hacker-nomadism/ There are several things that I've been positively surprised about: * Cost of living is really cheap. Now when I travel to France or Finland I feel everything is expensive there * Berlin is very well connected with rest of Europe (trains, flights) * The hacker scene here is great (huge meetups, etc)…

C-base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base) and co-up (http://co-up.de/) would probably be good starting points for a visiting hacker.

I've also heard a lot of start-up people hang out in Sankt Oberholz (http://www.sanktoberholz.de/?lang=en), but I have no personal experience on that one.

Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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interesting:

http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=tomdtpink

Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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I moved to Berlin from Helsinki (another regional start-up hub) last March: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/hacker-nomadism/ There are several things that I've been positively surprised about: * Cost of living is really cheap. Now when I travel to France or Finland I feel everything is expensive there * Berlin is very well connected with rest of Europe (trains, flights) * The hacker scene here is great (huge meetups, etc)…

C-base ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base ) and co-up ( http://co-up.de/ ) would probably be good starting points for a visiting hacker. I've also heard a lot of start-up people hang out in Sankt Oberholz ( http://www.sanktoberholz.de/?lang=en ), but I have no personal experience on that one.

Thanks. Would be great if anyone else has anything to add. Have been looking into this for a while and this has been very useful.

Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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interesting: http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=tomdtpink

Hijacked? Been around a long time to start trolling now.

Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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I moved to Berlin from Helsinki (another regional start-up hub) last March: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/hacker-nomadism/ There are several things that I've been positively surprised about: * Cost of living is really cheap. Now when I travel to France or Finland I feel everything is expensive there * Berlin is very well connected with rest of Europe (trains, flights) * The hacker scene here is great (huge meetups, etc)…

> Since moving inside Europe is really simple, I'd urge anybody curious to take a shot and stay here for a while.

Not everywhere in the EU, I moved to Denmark almost two years ago, and I am completely sure that the Danish system was designed to keep people out of their border. Simple tasks like open a bank account are a troublesome for even EU citizens

Re: Paris & Berlin – The tale of two cities (Part 1: The facts you can’t ignore)

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I moved to Berlin from Helsinki (another regional start-up hub) last March: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/hacker-nomadism/ There are several things that I've been positively surprised about: * Cost of living is really cheap. Now when I travel to France or Finland I feel everything is expensive there * Berlin is very well connected with rest of Europe (trains, flights) * The hacker scene here is great (huge meetups, etc)…

C-base ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base ) and co-up ( http://co-up.de/ ) would probably be good starting points for a visiting hacker. I've also heard a lot of start-up people hang out in Sankt Oberholz ( http://www.sanktoberholz.de/?lang=en ), but I have no personal experience on that one.

>I've also heard a lot of start-up people hang out in Sankt Oberholz (http://www.sanktoberholz.de/?lang=en), but I have no personal experience on that one.

Coming from Tallinn to see Berlinale in February, I had a misfortune of not having a desk in my hotel room during my stay there. Thankfully, St. Oberholz was just around the corner. I spent most most of the days working there and met many great people from artists and art curators to programmers and entrepreneurs, and it seemed that about third of visitors came from Denmark/Sweden/Iceland and the US/Canada. As much I could gather, Oberholz was the place were tech people could work when they didn't have a office space for themselves or wanted some rest from their primary offices. The place is overcrowded most of the time so you don't have a luxury for your own private table, and more often than not, you'll have to ask for a place at someones table. They also provided almost decent wifi, which really isn't really the norm for the majority of places in Berlin.

On the broader perspective, Berlin is a great city with a good vibe attached to it, and I have been thinking of moving there for a while now.

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