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Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

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9 years and you consider yourself a „senior” and you still think about how you „feel” left behind? What do you expect? Processes take time - all of them. I ventured into a new domain 3 years ago and got comfortable within one year. Then found out I know nothing around year two. Then again. Back and forth. True seniors, experts, whatever you call them - they don’t get comfortable.

Just realizing the above comes off super grumpy.

To clarify, sometimes I get the sense that the sort of people, also like myself, who come on here, have this delusion that this tech stuff will cheat reality. That you do this and that, you play your cards well and you will skip ahead of everyone else in all the other professions in society. A sort of technocratic megalomania.

I absolutely do not know that the OP is like this. My experience „switching” domains is that it can help to find the common familiar denominators with what you know in the new thing. And then, like an anthropologist, to develop a respectful understanding of the people who are experts in this domain. You keep it respectful by recognizing that you’re not going to catch up with them. It’ll be their job to convey to you what their problems are, and yours to listen carefully. You might be good with that hammer you’re holding from your earlier experiences, but they might not even have nails for you to bang on. That’s where the discomfort comes in.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#72

Talk to people. Interview your entire team, with detailed questions, avoid solutioning out of context, just listen. Next extend those interviews to stakeholders your team supports- go as deep or as high as you can, adjust questions for context, execs? business/strategy questions, the janitor? the dirt questions... yes interview the cleaning crew... Ive done these rounds at every job and 2 times I left that job immedi…

> I left that job immediately after the interviews. Why?

Why? none ya biznuts man. Read between the lines, I talked to people and it was a dumpster fire. Interviews are lies. Always treat hiring as YOUR opportunity, interview THEM.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I left that job immediately after the interviews. Why?

If you read between the lines, it would seem no one was keeping the place clean.

Well, when you want the cleaning crew to spy for you, you better get chummy with them. My parents were janitors, so I got a start point at least. We're all just cleaning crews in the end.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I left that job immediately after the interviews. Why?

Why? none ya biznuts man. Read between the lines, I talked to people and it was a dumpster fire. Interviews are lies. Always treat hiring as YOUR opportunity, interview THEM.

Sounds like you had FU money or can easily get into another job quickly.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read between the lines, it would seem no one was keeping the place clean.

Well, when you want the cleaning crew to spy for you, you better get chummy with them. My parents were janitors, so I got a start point at least. We're all just cleaning crews in the end.

It is sewerage all the way down.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, when you want the cleaning crew to spy for you, you better get chummy with them. My parents were janitors, so I got a start point at least. We're all just cleaning crews in the end.

It is sewerage all the way down.

You would know

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? none ya biznuts man. Read between the lines, I talked to people and it was a dumpster fire. Interviews are lies. Always treat hiring as YOUR opportunity, interview THEM.

Sounds like you had FU money or can easily get into another job quickly.

The assumptions. No FU money here- My luck is zilch buddy... many attempts and nothing but blood sweat and tears. My thing. I was homeless once... I dont give a fuck.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

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I have a very specific (and pretty easy) strategy for this when I join a new org. Technically you could do this at any time, but you generally have a "grace window" when you're new where people are happy to go out of their way to meet you and teach you. First, meet 1 on 1 with every member of your immediate team. This of course serves as a "get to know you" meet, but your real goal is to get them to explain their wor…

I feel like this is easier to do as a junior developer than a mid to senior level developer.

Also, I have tried this on a team and one or two would do it but everyone acted like they are too busy. Basically, it was hard to get one on one time to talk to people on the team outside the manager.

Depending on how toxic the job is too, this could be used against you. I don't think it should, but if they expect a mid/senior developer then they could see this as not being senior enough.

How do you handle the above concerns? Both to make people make time for this and also how do you defend against it being used against you? Yes, there is a grace period. But then it feels like even with a grace period, some still find a reason to use it against you.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#79

I covered this in a recent issue of a career newsletter I write [1]. Some snippets from it that I think would help new joiners (not only those joining a new industry): 1. No-one’s going to go out of their way to guide you. Esp at smaller companies, the fact that you’ve been hired means you’re joining a time-poor company, and there likely won’t be a formal onboarding process. So...you’ve got to onboard yourself. 2. Ad…

Your point 1 has been my experience and I DO NOT understand why the most upvoted post in this post is saying to have one on ones with every team member on the team and also to have one of ones with related teams. I can't think of a time when that has ever been able to happen, especially on outer teams. Yes, it is ideal. But most teams and people feel like they are too busy all the time and also I have found that if you ask too many questions, sometimes that can be used against you if you don't know the team dynamics at play.

Your point 3 validates that as well.

Re: Ask HN: How to onboard yourself to a new product/industry in a new job?

#80
post #3

I have a very specific (and pretty easy) strategy for this when I join a new org. Technically you could do this at any time, but you generally have a "grace window" when you're new where people are happy to go out of their way to meet you and teach you. First, meet 1 on 1 with every member of your immediate team. This of course serves as a "get to know you" meet, but your real goal is to get them to explain their wor…

I feel like this is easier to do as a junior developer than a mid to senior level developer. Also, I have tried this on a team and one or two would do it but everyone acted like they are too busy. Basically, it was hard to get one on one time to talk to people on the team outside the manager. Depending on how toxic the job is too, this could be used against you. I don't think it should, but if they expect a mid/senio…

I almost always hate it when people give the following advice because it’s almost always given too freely, but:

Do you really want to work for a team that looks down upon you for trying to learn/appearing like you don’t know something?

That’s like a Petri dish for growing imposter syndrome.

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