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U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Post by spiderice »

tamirzb wrote: post #587
aabajian wrote: post #358

The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

> On the other hand, I think the long-term sequalae of the blue-green message is to push people to use stand-alone apps like WhatsApp and FB Messenger I find it amusing that in 2024 people in the US still talk about WhatsApp as a future step. Where I'm from already 10+ years ago every single person you know would have a WhatsApp account. With WhatsApp, LINE, WeChat, Telegram etc. I think this is pretty much a solved…

I don’t think relying on Facebook for your entire countries messaging is considered “a solved problem”.

Relying on any one company is bad. But Facebook might be just about the worst.

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Post by PenguinCoder »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #556
Fripplebubby wrote: post #287

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

I like the app store, I like the restrictions, I don't want apple to change anything about it. I sort of think apple shouldn't try to comply with these sorts of potential lawsuits by making their app store worse, they should just let people jail break the phone and offer zero support for it. If people want to buy an iphone and shit it up, let them do it.

It doesn't matter if you like it. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. What matters is their actions and behavior are against the law. It can be proven,/according to the US Gov.

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Post by twojobsoneboss »

Matticus_Rex wrote: post #308
lkrubner wrote: post #270

It's been many decades since the USA government attempted to go after a vertical trust. During my lifetime, almost all anti-monopoly action has been against horizontal trusts: companies that gain too much market share for some particular product or service. But there was a time, a long time ago, almost a century ago, when it was common for the government to do this kind of thing, for the benefit of the consumer.

There's also a pretty large econ literature questioning that it actually benefited the consumer, much of which concludes that in cases where the trust's anticompetitive power didn't itself rest on government-granted monopolies, it probably hurt.

You know all the incredible inventions that came out of Bell Labs (eg the telephone, the transistor, the C programming language)?

Yup, all those happened when they were an uber-monopoly and had the resources and breathing space to fund such bets!

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Post by rgovostes »

patwolf wrote: post #161

> By tightly controlling the user experience on iPhones and other devices, Apple has created what critics call an uneven playing field, where it grants its own products and services access to core features that it denies rivals. I once worked on a large enterprise platform. We developed our own applications for the platform, and other third parties developed applications for the platform. We had to regularly scan our…

> Remember the brazenness in which they booted third-party screen time and parental control apps from the app store after the introduction of Screen Time.

You misremember. Apple sherlocked RescueTime and brought it to iOS, where no such app existed because the platform security model prevents an app from snooping on other apps and websites. Developers were upset that Apple didn't give them access to the same functionality; Apple eventually released an API (but it doesn't look like RescueTime uses it, even today).

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