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U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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This quote is pretty consistent with my take on what Apple has been up to: > In the end , Apple deploys privacy and security justifications as an elastic shield that can stretch or contract to serve Apple's financial and business interests .

Truer words never been said

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

I like the app store, I like the restrictions, I don't want apple to change anything about it. I sort of think apple shouldn't try to comply with these sorts of potential lawsuits by making their app store worse, they should just let people jail break the phone and offer zero support for it. If people want to buy an iphone and shit it up, let them do it.

>If people want to buy an iphone and shit it up, let them do it.

Those choices also affect me, though. Any shared albums, messages or other data I transmit with these users has a higher risk of being leaked.

There's some security in knowing almost all phones are not jailbroken and thanks to regular os upgrades, have a pretty solid security floor.

One way to handle this would be to decorate the comms ID, email / phone name whatever to show they aren't running a standard iOS. But I would want to know as easily as I do that messages I exchange with someone are going to an android device.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#814

This quote is pretty consistent with my take on what Apple has been up to: > In the end , Apple deploys privacy and security justifications as an elastic shield that can stretch or contract to serve Apple's financial and business interests .

In the EU / app store ballyhoo, privacy / security has been used too often.

But in general, Apple has relentlessly set standards for data privacy that no other business seemed willing or able to provide. Far from perfect, (CN datacenters) but still seemingly far out ahead.

People don't normally pay for privacy or data security because they're not considered valuable until something bad happens.

So I can at least understand why the company might lean on this loss-leader to try and prop up its position in the face of unwanted regulation.

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The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

> that person will limit the messaging functionality Don't have an iPhone -- what functionality do they limit?

The main thing I miss about having an iPhone is the ability to send full resolution pictures and videos over iMessage. In practice, SMS and MMS are seriously limited in the size of files they can send.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#816

The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

> This creates a disdain for SMS, and anyone who uses it over iMessage. It is such a strong feeling, that having green messages makes you "uncool", especially in the younger crowd.

When iMessage was introduced it was at a time SMS and MMS incurred extra charges, or, at best, came out of a fixed monthly allowance.

Making the user aware of whether they were using SMS/MMS or iMessage was actually a technically important feature, not a way to shame Android users.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#817

The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

The blue background isn't lock-in -- it's branding and fashion. It's labeling the in-group and the out-group. The cool kids with their Nike shoes and the kids who got their shoes from Payless Shoe Store. The Abercrombie & Fitch wearing kids vs Costco or Walmart wearing kids. The sooner it can be learned that a symbol on a shoe is ... kind of a silly status symbol, the better. Same with blue background or blue check m…

When iMessage was introduced it was at a time SMS and MMS incurred extra charges, or, at best, came out of a fixed monthly allowance.

Making the user aware of whether they were using SMS/MMS or iMessage was actually a technically important feature, not as a status symbol.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#818

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

> 3. Messaging interoperability > 4. Smartwatches [interoperability] Where do you draw the line on forcing interoperability? This is kind of like (in-person) movie theaters. Movie theaters don't allow you to bring your own food, you have to buy their food/drink. Why should a movie theater be forced to allow patrons bring their own food? Why should Apple be forced to allow it's patrons to brining competitive things to…

In some countries with strong consumer laws, movie theaters are not legally allowed to forbid customers from bringing their own food and drinks.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

I like the app store, I like the restrictions, I don't want apple to change anything about it. I sort of think apple shouldn't try to comply with these sorts of potential lawsuits by making their app store worse, they should just let people jail break the phone and offer zero support for it. If people want to buy an iphone and shit it up, let them do it.

Mostly agree with this except for "... and offer zero support for it."

Nope, that's covered by basic consumer protections. Apple still has to offer support if the user has issues that weren't likely to have been caused by the modifications.

Your car maker doesn't get to refuse to honor your powertrain warranty just because you put in a custom stereo.

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