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U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Post by samstave »

aabajian wrote: post #358

The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

Agree, but its also more importantly the (...) bubbles that people have become addicted to. Green doesnt show that.

So when you see (...) and then it goes away and comes back a bunch of times - peoples fear and anxieties project into that (...) -- and its that fear dopamine that people are addicted to wrt to gree/blue...

where people are annoyed at green when they basically send a UDP txt - whereas blue is a TCP txt, so to speak...

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Post by ArthurAardvark »

Of all the goliaths and titans of industry...Apple....really? Perhaps its a matter of applicable laws/cases...but why not Amazon, Google and Microsoft? They have their tentacles in every direction, I consider that sort of broad-spectrum corporation to be the worst kind. It is not even similar sectors in the case of Amazon (well there are plenty of Google subsidies without the "Google" brand on it) which I find more frightening but hey, I welcome our new corporate overlords!

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Post by rpmisms »

khazhoux wrote: post #494
brink wrote: post #217

Apple frustrates the hell out of me with their deceptive tactics to create walled gardens while pretending not to. They feign ignorance to keep you stuck and create the illusion of open doors out of their walled garden that are actually broken and they have no interest in fixing. I've been paying for iCloud for my wife's iphone for the last several months because of how difficult Apple makes it for us to export our p…

I simply installed Google Photos app and now every single iphone photo is automatically synced to my google account. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

a) this is a great solution, and b) I caught that reference

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Post by unethical_ban »

Yes, Apple and Google have what we call super app capability on their own phones. However unless or until mobile OS permissions structures can grant permissions at a sub app level, I think it's good that random Joe schmo, or worse, someone like meta, cannot make a combination banking-messaging - social credit - maps application that insists on total phone access all the time.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Post by wiseowise »

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #715
Fripplebubby wrote: post #287

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

None of these arguments are very satisfactory to me as a consumer and this appears to be more Mafia like behaviour than a genuine concern for market based competition.

How so?

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Post by Dah00n »

shuckles wrote: post #573
aabajian wrote: post #358

The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

My guess is even if iMessage bubbles were green, the sheer horribleness of SMS would still make communicating with Android a second class experience in a way everyone found frustrating. Sure RCS might make that better (I’m skeptical — standards support in the Android ecosystem is very inconsistent and varying in quality), but it’s a decade late. The basic argument is: Apple can’t make anything better for iPhone users…

>Sure RCS might make that better (I’m skeptical — standards support in the Android ecosystem is very inconsistent and varying in quality)

Maybe, but my old mom and her old Huawei phone works with zero problems with my brand new OnePlus and whatever mix of phones her friends have. All of them on RCS. The only one that has a problem is a friend with an iPhone that cannot receive images in the size everyone else shares them in. No-one here uses zuckerware - it is all SMS (IE. all RCS except for the few that likes old style Nokias so they get it as a SMS).

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Post by Dah00n »

AnonHP wrote: post #642
aabajian wrote: post #358

The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

> The main question I want addressed is: If SMS messages can be directly shown in iMessage, and are not secure, then the argument of not allowing "insecure" 3rd-parties to integrate with iMessage goes out the window. All I want is Android messages to be shown in iMessage. Sure we can make them green, but at least they will be sent over the data network and not SMS. There’s the Messages app and the iMessage protocol —…

>It still won’t have end to end encryption (like the iMessage protocol does)

If Apple can access it in any way (which they can) then it is not real E2EE.

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Post by Nevermark »

Fripplebubby wrote: post #287

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

Thanks for the summary. My "Open Apple" wishlist includes:

• Allowing alternate web browser implementations, including alternate Javascript and WebAssembly implementations.

• Which would include third party developer access to the memory allocation/permissions API used for JIT compilers. Make iOS a first class ARM development OS. Please.

Perhaps removing restrictions to general APIs for competitive apps and "Super apps" would implicitly include those changes?

Interesting that this doesn't address Apple's iOS "taxation" of tangential non-web transactions, or the lack of App Store alternatives. If Apple has monopoly power, those seem like suitable concerns.

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Post by jmholla »

ArthurAardvark wrote: post #783

Of all the goliaths and titans of industry...Apple....really? Perhaps its a matter of applicable laws/cases...but why not Amazon, Google and Microsoft? They have their tentacles in every direction, I consider that sort of broad-spectrum corporation to be the worst kind. It is not even similar sectors in the case of Amazon (well there are plenty of Google subsidies without the "Google" brand on it) which I find more f…

> but why not Amazon, Google and Microsoft?

I'm pretty sure the DOJ is going after them as well. This suit is just about Apple.

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