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U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#762
An iPhone should be like a Macbook.

A user should be able to load a cryptographic key to the bootloader and boot any OS of their choosing. I'm kind of more on the extreme "Free Market" way of thinking, but even I think that government should step in and force an iPhone to be like a Macbook in this way.

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#763

I assert it is trivial to not buy Apple products, easy to make alternatives to Apple products and easy to buy feature equivalent devices to Apple products. In lieu of this what is the problem? If the government has a problem why not say any code should be able to be run on any device? Honestly I’m curious - what’s the problem? There are android phones that are superior to iPhones and let you run anything you want. Wh…

For every thing that the DOJ is complaining about there’s a Google version: Chat, Wallet, Auto, Pixel, etc.

This suit reminds me of the phrase, “I’ve been convicted by a jury of my peers… who couldn’t get out of jury duty.”

Apple is under the gun because their main competitors (at least Google and Samsung) aren’t as good / successful, even when they have greater market shares.

Also, Android is.. ahem.. “open source”.

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post #757

The blue background on messages sent between two iMessage users has to be one of the most brilliant vendor lock-in strategies. It is an artificial form of discrimination. I feel a slight annoyance whenever a non-Apple user forms a group chat as I know that person will limit the messaging functionality. In my opinion, the "monopolistic" aspect of it comes down to the fact that they tied it into an otherwise open messa…

> that person will limit the messaging functionality Don't have an iPhone -- what functionality do they limit?

It falls back to plain ol SMS/MMS. So any features newer than 2008 or so.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

I like the app store, I like the restrictions, I don't want apple to change anything about it. I sort of think apple shouldn't try to comply with these sorts of potential lawsuits by making their app store worse, they should just let people jail break the phone and offer zero support for it. If people want to buy an iphone and shit it up, let them do it.

Stay within store, nobody forces you to sideload or download certain apps.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#766
This seems like such a waste of time for the Justice Department. Despite what we may think about Apple's walled garden, the case for consumer harm is very limited. There are only so many anti-trust cases they can pursue, and I don't know why they aren't digging into things that clearly damage consumers.

For example CVS Caremark, Optum Rx, and Express Scripts control 80% of the consumer drug market as PBMs. CVS Caremark controls 1/3 of the market and that control definitely drives up prices and bottlenecks drug availability. You can also easily identify how delays with PBM adversely effect patient outcomes.

Why did it take a person injury lawyer to finally take on the national association of realtors on fees?

One could go on at length.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#767

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

Did they mention copying photos from your phone to a PC via USB? This is intentionally crippled and such an unpleasant experience in comparison to the experience if you have a Mac, for me at least.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#768

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

One of the big reasons I buy into the Apple ecosystem is for that next level of first-party interoperability. It works far better than any collection of more open systems I’ve even seen/used.

I don’t use Apple in spite of this, I use it because of this. Trying to support everything will likely lead to a worse experience for everyone in a multi-device world.

Apple is a hardware company making their own software to run that hardware, much like a game console. It seems like many of the criticisms here could be adapted and applied to Nintendo, Xbox, and PlayStation. Why can’t my PS VR work with my Xbox… it’s a Sony monopoly /s

There are areas where I think Apple can improve, such as right to repair and reliability in general. But it seems like some of what these governments are trying to kill is the very reason some people went to Apple in the first place. That doesn’t lead to more choice, it leads to less choice… as the government tries to turn iOS into an Android clone. Kind of odd that Apple is being told to act more like the platform that has the lead in global market share.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#769

I assert it is trivial to not buy Apple products, easy to make alternatives to Apple products and easy to buy feature equivalent devices to Apple products. In lieu of this what is the problem? If the government has a problem why not say any code should be able to be run on any device? Honestly I’m curious - what’s the problem? There are android phones that are superior to iPhones and let you run anything you want. Wh…

It may be trivial for a consumer to buy an Android phone; it is not trivial for a developer to decide to not support iOS or Safari.

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

#770

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

I like the app store, I like the restrictions, I don't want apple to change anything about it. I sort of think apple shouldn't try to comply with these sorts of potential lawsuits by making their app store worse, they should just let people jail break the phone and offer zero support for it. If people want to buy an iphone and shit it up, let them do it.

The suit is not about user choice between iPhone and Android. The suit is about control 60% of the digital market. Sure, a user can go buy a different phone. But, an App developer can not reasonable not support iPhone given it has 60% of the market and apple requires 30% of all digital transactions on that market.

I agree people should be able to choose different things. But I also agree with the suit, that once someone gets in the position to control the market of 1000s and 1000s of companies, it's not longer just about user choice in phones. It's about the digital goods (apps/subscribtions/IaP) market itself.

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