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Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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It's hard for me to imagine the bravery it takes to sign up for this -- even if you're dying already, something like this is unlikely to result in a peaceful final days on earth (between being a science experiment, the media, optional major traumatic surgery, etc...). The folks undergoing this are incredibly admirable.

The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from

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Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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It's hard for me to imagine the bravery it takes to sign up for this -- even if you're dying already, something like this is unlikely to result in a peaceful final days on earth (between being a science experiment, the media, optional major traumatic surgery, etc...). The folks undergoing this are incredibly admirable.

The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from

Disagree. The "choose life at any quality of life" ideology causes immense suffering.

Ideally in the long run, this is a step in the direction of keeping people alive with a higher quality of life, but that's unlikely to be this first person's experience.

Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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Why would I care at that point? I'm not living with a pig's heart. That's disgusting. Imagine someone being so afraid of dying they were willing to have a pig's heart transplanted. There's nothing someone like that wouldn't do.

Imagine someone being so afraid of a little piece of their meat being replaced that they would rather die. My point is, you're allowed your opinion, but if you're simply deriding others for not sharing yours, you're not really enriching the conversation.

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Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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It's impossible for me to see this as anything but an amazing development. But the sentient-pig SF horror genre pretty much writes itself.

… does it? It’s a kidney, not a brain. Brain transplants from a pig seem like a pretty obviously bad idea.

Sorry, overcomplicating English syntax:

The ... SF horror genre, as written by sentient pigs ... pretty much writes itself.

Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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Why would I care at that point? I'm not living with a pig's heart. That's disgusting. Imagine someone being so afraid of dying they were willing to have a pig's heart transplanted. There's nothing someone like that wouldn't do.

Tell that to diabetics. Prior to the invention of synthetic insulin, we used pig and cow pancreas secretions. You're making an unneeded distinction. If YOU would like to die, so be it.

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Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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It's hard for me to imagine the bravery it takes to sign up for this -- even if you're dying already, something like this is unlikely to result in a peaceful final days on earth (between being a science experiment, the media, optional major traumatic surgery, etc...). The folks undergoing this are incredibly admirable.

The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from

> The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from.

Human kidney transplants (both cadaveric and from a living donor) have been a common operation for many years.

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The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from

> The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from. Human kidney transplants (both cadaveric and from a living donor) have been a common operation for many years.

The article addresses this. The patient previously had a human kidney transplant in 2018, which failed sometime in (reading slightly between the lines) 2023, as well as having other health issues. Another human Kidney wouldn't have been made available to him for five to six years, and his doctors didn't believe that he would live that long.

I still think it counts as brave though, certainly not an easy choice.

Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from

> The alternative is certain death so not a lot to choose from. Human kidney transplants (both cadaveric and from a living donor) have been a common operation for many years.

If you actually read the article, it goes into details about why he's ineligible for a normal transplant and also why his dialysis is failing.

Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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What happens to other parts from these genetically modified pigs? Can some be used for other transplants? Can rest be eaten?

I have CKD and need a transplant. I'm keeping an eye on this progress. I hope I get to eat the rest of the pig when I wake up from the surgery, myself. Mmmmm bacon!

Re: Surgeons transplant pig kidney into a patient

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It's impossible for me to see this as anything but an amazing development. But the sentient-pig SF horror genre pretty much writes itself.

Oh, where the sentient pigs have set this all up, but for reverse kidney transplants from humans to pigs, and we pay for it?
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