Can't wait to see the considered response from the auto industry!
TBH, the only vehicle-related thing I've seen a Flipper Zero do is to open the Tesla charging port door. Novel, but not exactly theft.
Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
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Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#12I too disagree with the Canada ban, however I think the regulators are more concerned with how easy this can be done with a flipper zero. The moment you took out a soldering iron to build an antenna filter you've increased the complexity to the point where the regulators are no longer concerned. Yes this is still very dumb imho.
Does that mean that the circuit won't work if I join the wires without solder?
Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#13I too disagree with the Canada ban, however I think the regulators are more concerned with how easy this can be done with a flipper zero. The moment you took out a soldering iron to build an antenna filter you've increased the complexity to the point where the regulators are no longer concerned. Yes this is still very dumb imho.
It’s typical politician shortsightedness, as there will just be another product that arises.
Banning one of the many specific parts to do an illegal thing rarely ever makes the illegal thing harder to do.
Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#14I'm responding to the people saying this is still out of reach for most people due to requiring soldering. Less than 30 seconds of searching shows that I can buy an RTL-SDR USB dongle and kit for about $40 which can also analyze the 433Mhz band and more. This ban is ridiculous on its face.
Absolutely agree the ban is ridiculous, but lets not now humbly hide the fact that FZ makes this way easier than the workflow shown in the video. Even ignoring the antenna construction you still need to record the data and post process it using a laptop and 3rd party software.
Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#15Outside of the context of the ban, this is a bit of a self-own imho. You indeed do not need a flipper zero to learn about and play with RF. In fact, you learn more without one, as demonstrated in the video.
Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#16I mean, go off Dudley Doright, but there's not much that the Flipper Zero does that can't be done with off-the-shelf microcontroller hardware that is getting better and better every year. There _will_ be a replacement.
Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#17I too disagree with the Canada ban, however I think the regulators are more concerned with how easy this can be done with a flipper zero. The moment you took out a soldering iron to build an antenna filter you've increased the complexity to the point where the regulators are no longer concerned. Yes this is still very dumb imho.
Upvoted and completely agree.
Bans of Flipper Zero are ridiculous but Flipper should have run this by a "lay person" (sales, PR, marketing, an intern). Stripping a wire, showing a schematic with a diode and resistor, winding wires, soldering iron, etc just further proves the point of the regulators.
Meanwhile in the beginning of the video they show decoding the signal with the pocket-sized Flipper Zero with the push of a button in a few seconds. Easy, portable, easily concealable.
Ordering a $20 SDR from Amazon, plugging it in (even an Android phone), and clicking/tapping around in one of the many SDR GUI programs available would have demonstrated:
1) This functionality isn't limited to the Flipper Zero and has been around for years.
2) It's still "plug and play" and relatively low skill level.
3) It's actually cheaper and uses a device everyone already has in their pocket.
They shot themselves in the foot with this and only gave regulators more ammunition to call for bans.
They seem to have combined a sales/marketing video for Flipper Zero with a PR video for regulators.
Frankly it's incredibly stupid on their part.
Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
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Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#19I too disagree with the Canada ban, however I think the regulators are more concerned with how easy this can be done with a flipper zero. The moment you took out a soldering iron to build an antenna filter you've increased the complexity to the point where the regulators are no longer concerned. Yes this is still very dumb imho.
Sure a soldering iron raises the bar. Sure Flipper Zero lowers it considerably.
But Canada is fighting a lost cause to strengthen "security through obscurity".
Re: Response from Flipper Zero to the Canada Ban
#20I too disagree with the Canada ban, however I think the regulators are more concerned with how easy this can be done with a flipper zero. The moment you took out a soldering iron to build an antenna filter you've increased the complexity to the point where the regulators are no longer concerned. Yes this is still very dumb imho.
Does that mean that the circuit won't work if I join the wires without solder?
Most likely, it will work. You may need a few tries in case the connections aren't super tight. And it may stop working rather quickly due to corrosion of the contact surfaces.
However, in particular in headphone cables, the wires are often isolated using coating, which is hard to remove without applying q significant amount of heat.