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Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

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Post by TheSteve0 »

mythz wrote: post #79

I'm generally a fan of RedHat, but not having details on the most important point of OpenShift that will decide whether it will fail or succeed in the market (i.e. the price) is a scummy play - that I only expected from enterprises. I hope these "enterprise marketing" tactics aren't a trend for RedHat.

This is not a bait and switch. We are trying to make sure we get the pricing right. That said - we plan to make the current free tier free even when we announce pricing. We are also committed to being competitive in terms of pricing. We will be announcing pricing this summer.

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#82

Post by TheSteve0 »

brown9-2 wrote: post #63
T-A wrote: post #25

From the ToS ( https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/site_terms ): "you give Red Hat a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through the web site" That makes me a little nervous.

Isn't this standard boilerplate for ToS for these types of services? They need a "license" from you that covers deploying your software to as many servers as necessary, wherever in the world they host the platform.

you got it - that is why we have these terms - nothing more nefarious than that

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

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Post by TheSteve0 »

bergie wrote: post #22

Very interesting, though documentation doesn't seem to be very comprehensive yet. There is little information about process management, like https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/process-model Not to mention how to create custom Cartridges, like you can do with Heroku buildpacks: https://gist.github.com/fe7f04abbd9538b656c5

We actually do have custom cartridge: https://openshift.redhat.com/community/blogs/a-paas-that-run...

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#85

Post by TheSteve0 »

amalag wrote: post #3

I tried openshift a few months ago for Rails. A real pain in the butt. They dont have simple deploy like Heroku. Even heroku can be time consuming in the beginning to get right, openshift was even more complicated. It may work better for Java I don't know, looks like they are right on the bleeding edge with support for Ruby 1.8.7.

Our roadmap has more support for newer versions of Ruby coming soon. We started with the base packages in RHEL but are now working to also bring newer versions as standard cartridges. That said, you can also use a DIY cartridge to get Ruby 1.9.x

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#86

Post by TheSteve0 »

amalag wrote: post #3

I tried openshift a few months ago for Rails. A real pain in the butt. They dont have simple deploy like Heroku. Even heroku can be time consuming in the beginning to get right, openshift was even more complicated. It may work better for Java I don't know, looks like they are right on the bleeding edge with support for Ruby 1.8.7.

Our roadmap has more support for newer versions of Ruby coming soon. We started with the base packages in RHEL but are now working to also bring newer versions as standard cartridges. That said, you can also use a DIY cartridge to get Ruby 1.9.x

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#88

Post by lhm »

mhicks wrote: post #74
Ryan_Shmotkin wrote: post #29

Tsk tsk.. ruby 1.8.7 by default

Yeah, defaults are always tough to choose and we tend to default to what is in RHEL. That said, Ruby comes up a lot and we are actively working on a slick 1.9.x experience out of the box. In the meantime (I know it's a hassle) but we've built the underlying foundation to let you do what you want. For example: http://bit.ly/HHp9aR Also... if you wouldn't mind helping vote it up, that would help: https://openshift.redh…

FWIW, here is a description how different ruby versions are handled with rbenv by 37signals:

https://github.com/sstephenson/rbenv/issues/101#issuecomment...

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#89

Post by mythz »

TheSteve0 wrote: post #81
mythz wrote: post #79

I'm generally a fan of RedHat, but not having details on the most important point of OpenShift that will decide whether it will fail or succeed in the market (i.e. the price) is a scummy play - that I only expected from enterprises. I hope these "enterprise marketing" tactics aren't a trend for RedHat.

This is not a bait and switch. We are trying to make sure we get the pricing right. That said - we plan to make the current free tier free even when we announce pricing. We are also committed to being competitive in terms of pricing. We will be announcing pricing this summer.

But you've "announced" your cloud platform, yet I can't justify any time learning or becoming familiar with it since there is no idea on price - it's frustrating.

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#90

Post by claytonc »

bgilroy26 wrote: post #78
jballanc wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. You're the product. In this case, you are the marketing product. It's not always bad to be the product. Cows eat for free, right? Just a good thing to keep in mind.

Absolutely.

Honestly the buzz I want to hear is "you guys suck, here's 10 ways you could be better" before we start taking money, at which point it's "you guys suck and you're taking our money, give me my money back". I'm trying to build the service I would use, and the intent as mhicks said up above is to always have a free tier so that folks get a chance to try it out before they commit.
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