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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by Gibbon1 »

tharmas wrote: post #730
gruturo wrote: post #57

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>Was it worth it What extremely stupid question is that? They didn't choose to get invaded. You think we shouldn't have helped? Pity we're not helping enough.

Why is it a stupid question? Their country is destroyed. The demographics are abysmal. All the youth destroyed. The USA and Ukraine should've negotiated a deal years and years ago that Ukraine would be a neutral state and NOT join NATO. Ukraine will never join NATO. USA knows that that will trigger Nuclear War.

If Russia uses nukes the president will order a non nuclear strike that kills Putin.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by [deleted] »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #731
tharmas wrote: post #730

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it a stupid question? Their country is destroyed. The demographics are abysmal. All the youth destroyed. The USA and Ukraine should've negotiated a deal years and years ago that Ukraine would be a neutral state and NOT join NATO. Ukraine will never join NATO. USA knows that that will trigger Nuclear War.

If Russia uses nukes the president will order a non nuclear strike that kills Putin.

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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by thiagoharry »

przyszlem wrote: post #635
empiricus wrote: post #633

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The current NATO expansion happens only because those countries are scared of Russia. Also, by definition, NATO exists to fight Russia.

This is not true, NATO is a defensive pact. Only russian propaganda says differently

This is western propaganda. NATO were used to attack Yugoslavia and Libia. Attacking 2 countries that did not attack you looks offensive, not defensive, to me.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by Ygg2 »

georgespencer wrote: post #729
Ygg2 wrote: post #713

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> Ah, so you mean the United States' inaction in providing aid to Russia. US is largest contributor to IMF it would be a joke to suggest their opinion has no sway. Especially application of neo liberal way of things. > How many dictators has the United States installed, allied with, and then invaded or killed in your lifetime? Two at least I can recall on the top of my head. Saddam in Iraq and Gaddafi in Libya. Grant…

> US is largest contributor to IMF it would be a joke to suggest their opinion has no sway. Russia was pursuing this strategy prior to IMF involvement. The membership of the IMF was supportive of the strategy. The United States' Treasury Department did not intervene. Tell me again how this had anything to do with Putin? You make it sound as if the US was providing weapons to Putin or something. > Saddam in Iraq I thi…

> Russia was pursuing this strategy prior to IMF involvement.

> Yeltsin turned to the Russian economists Yegor Gaidar and Anatoly Chubais, who, with the aid of Western advisers, hammered out the details.

Jeez, wonder who gave them that idea.

> I think you have some reading to do if you believe the United States "installed" Saddam. It was the Ba’athists.

Think you are placing too much weight on installed. Installed in as in supported materially, financially, or militarily. Helped get into power or remain there.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by georgespencer »

Ygg2 wrote: post #735
georgespencer wrote: post #729

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> US is largest contributor to IMF it would be a joke to suggest their opinion has no sway. Russia was pursuing this strategy prior to IMF involvement. The membership of the IMF was supportive of the strategy. The United States' Treasury Department did not intervene. Tell me again how this had anything to do with Putin? You make it sound as if the US was providing weapons to Putin or something. > Saddam in Iraq I thi…

> Russia was pursuing this strategy prior to IMF involvement. > Yeltsin turned to the Russian economists Yegor Gaidar and Anatoly Chubais, who, with the aid of Western advisers, hammered out the details. Jeez, wonder who gave them that idea. > I think you have some reading to do if you believe the United States "installed" Saddam. It was the Ba’athists. Think you are placing too much weight on installed. Installed in…

> or remain there.

Whilst I'm impressed with the speed of your climbdown, you have now broadened your definition of "installed" to the point where it is utterly meaningless.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by baybal2 »

7moritz7 wrote: post #669
valval wrote: post #552

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Oh yeah, Russia will lose any moment now :D

The fact that Russia, without foreign support or not, has not managed to capture one of the poorest states in Europe is a joke. Imagine the US failing to capture Mexico after 2 years, even if Mexico got weapon supplies from abroad. That would totally discredit the US military.

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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by baybal2 »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #724
bluGill wrote: post #368

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In hindsight we know that was wrong. However I'll fully admit that if he has assassinated Putin I would have called him out on it even though we now wish he had.

He wasn't wrong. It was in a shambles and retreating everywhere. I think the actual failure was the US doing too much to exploit that and not enough to support democracy there. Russia really needed a Marshall plan from the west to stabilize them, and not western companies going in and helping kleptocrats loot the country. By the time Putin took over, the situation was already irreparable..

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