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> There’s a reason they go at businesses instead of rest areas. With a few grandfathered exceptions, rest areas are prohibited from hosting private enterprise.
Citation? Because I see private enterprise at many rest areas frequented between both coasts, including a Tesla supercharger in Ohio off the turnpike. https://www.tesla.com/en_US/findus/location/supercharger/Gen... https://www.tesla.com/en_US/findus/location/supercharger/gen...
Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin
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Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin
#52I hate how we are doubling down on car centric transportation. Whether it’s an ICE or EV. At the end of the day, it’s another car on the road. We take one step further with reducing or zeroing out tail pipe emissions. But take 3 steps backwards because department of ~~~highway~~~ transportation engineers feel the need to expand the expensive highways to accommodate increased demand. Ignoring all historical evidence t…
I'm a transit activist. The infrastructure bill allocated more money for transit ($39 billion) and Amtrak ($66 billion) than EVs. The funding for EV chargers is a mere $7.5 billion. If anything, the angst should be directed toward the $110 billion allocated to roads and highways.
EVs are mostly just harm reduction. An important step but not the end goal in cities.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Citation? Because I see private enterprise at many rest areas frequented between both coasts, including a Tesla supercharger in Ohio off the turnpike. https://www.tesla.com/en_US/findus/location/supercharger/Gen... https://www.tesla.com/en_US/findus/location/supercharger/gen...
https://reason.org/commentary/federal-ban-on-commercial-rest...
Interesting! TIL! Thanks! Something I will add to my list when chasing after congresspeople for other policy issues.
Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin
#54I hate how we are doubling down on car centric transportation. Whether it’s an ICE or EV. At the end of the day, it’s another car on the road. We take one step further with reducing or zeroing out tail pipe emissions. But take 3 steps backwards because department of ~~~highway~~~ transportation engineers feel the need to expand the expensive highways to accommodate increased demand. Ignoring all historical evidence t…
These are not MOAR CARS these are replacing the existing cars to cut down on the CO2 emissions.
EVs do contribute to brake dust but they do not produce as much brake dust as ICEVs. Yes, there is mining now for lithium, but that has limits. As the car fleet is switched over, the lithium and other minerals in the batteries are very recyclable. There are several companies with pilot recycling programs in place already even though the volume is small.
Not sure about your area but in our city, they are just finishing a massive expansion of the light rail network with more planned. The busses are being converted to be EVs, too.
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Not everyone is a socialist, or high density enthusiast. Personally I want the local government to only spend money in ways that result in people being more independent of a dense centre, that allows people to have more control over their immediate environment, and less impact from neibours. Roads and highways are worth the expense, I am not convinced when it comes to many other public infrastructure or services.
If anything is socialist about this scenario it would be the roads. You want other people to fund the lifestyle that you prefer and are fully willing to spend their money, time, and effort.
This ignores a few things.
First, I pay taxes, and my perspective is that the wealth created by my labour ought to benifit me. Just because some of that wealth is given to the government to be directed more efficiently, does not mean that it magically becomes an abstract pool of other people's money.
Second, we are in a democracy... In order for the outcome I want to come about the majority of people need to be in support of it...
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Go live in a city like Milwaukee then? 85% of the land area of Wisconsin has less than 100 people per square mile - it isn't clear to me at all how even the richest society could blanket that area with useful public transit.
We managed to blanket it with cars and roads despite them being unaffordable in the long term. We can do it just fine.
Why do you think cars and roads are unaffordable in the long term?
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Choosing roads and highways are a form of central planning. Single Family Homes zoning and lack of mixed use zoning are a form of central planning. The government is intimately involved with regulating and encouraging car centric transportation. Ultimately, using the term 'socialism' is a useless label especially when it is misapplied. It is better to discuss specific policies and details.
Did you read the comment I'm replying to? "Instead of spending money on the people. We are spending it on stupid car centric infrastructure. Forget mental health, social support, universal basic income..." This is a classic socialist point, one I feel the need to call out. Yes, there is a decision on what to encourage, and I think it's important to acknowledge that density inherently comes with more restrictions.
Single family zoning is inherently restrictive since you're forced to live a certain expensive lifestyle. Not being able to ride bikes safely is inherently restrictive. Being forced to spend money on car instead of being able to afford is a form of restriction.
Density can support things like live theaters. It's hard to support theater in the countryside. How about restaurants? Can't really have the plethora of options without a large population. How do you afford state of the art hospitals? You need a large enough population density to make supporting these hospitals viable.
If you say it's socialist or capitalist or you're really only hamstringing yourself in discussion about urbanism, making the entire discussion nonsensical.
Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin
#58My city spent a stupid amount of money to build 13 slow chargers across the city based on public feedback. I have zero faith that this will fare any better. The best EV charger is the one installed in the home. If the government actually wanted to spur adoption it would be through easing permitting and creating boilerplate contract language for apartment and condo chargers.
I tried traveling with a nissan leaf ev (24kwh) a couple years ago, and it was COMPLETELY impractical. It was just a stupid leap of faith with giant portions of luck and silly time wasting. 3rd party charging services suck. They have few chargers, they have few stalls and terrible information about them. (The worst was blink, virtually always broken) And then I tried a couple years later with tesla, and it was a comp…
Your experience with a Leaf just showed you that old technology in a vehicle with a small battery and slow charging is best for local travel and not good for road tripping. There is a place for such vehicles but the highway is not it.
Today, there are lots of much more advanced EVs from dozens of makers that have large range and faster charging. Over the next year, they are all switching over to a new standard charging connection (which was developed by Tesla. Props). The CCS charging network will also be switching over to j3400. Hopefully this increased competition will force more of them to properly maintain their networks or be replaced.
Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin
#59A good first step to the chicken and egg problem. Living in Wisconsin I have never seen an electrical charging station. >Local government entities and state agencies would not be allowed to operate public charging stations but could run their own stations to charge their vehicles. I'm confused at why this was included in the regulation. Would companies really refuse to build stations without this stipulation? It remi…
They do not stand out as much as a whole gas station so it can be easy to miss charging stations. Once you start looking though, they are much more common than you might think. In any case, what matters, if you aren’t charging at home, is that you can find chargers using an app or the car’s navigation system.
Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin
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Go live in a city like Milwaukee then? 85% of the land area of Wisconsin has less than 100 people per square mile - it isn't clear to me at all how even the richest society could blanket that area with useful public transit.
We managed to blanket it with cars and roads despite them being unaffordable in the long term. We can do it just fine.
Wisconsin is bigger than England with 10% of the population. It’s missing the mass in mass transit. Wisconsin is middle of the pack for density in the US.