Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth

At least for me, I was responding to those that wanted to call the study biased, or invalidate, or question the results, because the original post was 'classic blogspam'.

The study was in Nature, not 'plantbasednews'.

Just because a blog with a bias, like 'plantbasednews', reports on a study, doesn't invalidate the study.

The 'blog' is just cherry picking the studies that align with their bias.

"Alcohol and fermented fruit were probably sources of calories and drinkable water for many populations."

I'm questioning how this could have preceeded the formation of advanced brains at a level to contribute to the formation of advanced brains.

> Agenda over science?

The person you are responding to is right. The anti-meat/ pro-plant position may not have direct industry ties, but the bias is evident in several ways, of which I'll present just a few:

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/27592...

> But what has for the most part been overlooked is that Katz and THI and many of its council members have numerous industry ties themselves. The difference is that their ties are primarily with companies and organizations that stand to profit if people eat less red meat and a more plant-based diet. Unlike the beef industry, these entities are surrounded by an aura of health and wellness, although that isn’t necessarily evidence-based.

https://peakhuman.libsyn.com/dr-david-klurfeld-on-meat-not-c...

- Dr. David M Klurfeld] was on the World Health Organization working group to decide if meat causes cancer in 2015 with a bunch of vegetarians and vegans and says it was the most frustrating professional experience of his life - There were 22 scientists - half of which were epidemiologists - They claimed they used 800 studies but they actually only used 18 - There was a group of people that were strongly against the vote - He thinks a number of the people made up their minds before they even arrived

https://jilliansnutritionnook.com/plant-based-to-meat-based-...

> Looking back I think there were many factors that shaped my previously held stance on nutrition. I believe my education set me up to be susceptible to a plant-based diet. I was educated that too much red meat is not good. I was educated to value fruits and vegetables over meat. With this mind set, I was predisposed into believing red meat was bad for me and that the only animal protein (if any) I should eat was chicken and fish. I became further disgusted by red meat through documentaries and books with a vegan agenda. Red meat causes climate change, red meat decreases our life expectancy, red meat is morally bad. This pushed me further away from red meat and meat in general. I became more focused on this ideology of health rather than listening to my own body. Without me even realizing it, I began to shape my identity around a plant-based diet. It was really hard for me to break up with this idea of what I thought was healthy and it took me months of self-education to open up my eyes.

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/9/9/251

> The emphasis on health ministry within the Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) movement led to the development of sanitariums in mid-nineteenth century America. These facilities, the most notable being in Battle Creek, Michigan, initiated the development of vegetarian foods, such as breakfast cereals and analogue meats. The SDA Church still operates a handful of food production facilities around the world. The first Battle Creek Sanitarium dietitian was co-founder of the American Dietetics Association which ultimately advocated a vegetarian diet. The SDA Church established hundreds of hospitals, colleges, and secondary schools and tens of thousands of churches around the world, all promoting a vegetarian diet. As part of the ‘health message,’ diet continues to be an important aspect of the church’s evangelistic efforts. In addition to promoting a vegetarian diet and abstinence from alcohol, the SDA church has also invested resources in demonstrating the health benefits of these practices through research. Much of that research has been conducted at Loma Linda University in southern California, where there have been three prospective cohort studies conducted over 50 years. The present study, Adventist Health Study-2, enrolled 96,194 Adventists throughout North America in 2003–2004 with funding from the National Institutes of Health. Adventist Health Studies have demonstrated that a vegetarian diet is associated with longer life and better health.

https://aleph-2020.blogspot.com/2019/05/introducing-narrativ...

> Dietary policies, mass media, and activists increasingly portray plants as mostly beneficial and animal source foods (ASFs) as mostly harmful. Yet, both sides of this poorly informative plant/animal binary represent heterogeneous food groups, which can be either benign or harmful from an ethical, environmental, or health perspective. It is not helpful to base policies on such simplistic categorization, which derives from reductionist approaches to nutrition, distortions by journalists, societal anxieties, and various forms of bias.

I agree it's not mysterious. I was asking with some admittedly false naivety because if I'm being honest, I'm skeptical. I've only ever heard about this from people whose opinions on nutrition are dubious in other ways, and it's usually phrased as something like "all the yogurt you get from the store is dead." I eat yogurt every day and I sometimes make my own (using commercial yogurt as a starter), and I've never had a batch fail to start. Apparently I've only ever bought the live stuff.

In other words, slightly processed foods can be a good thing.