Rare eleventh-century astrolabe discovery shows Islamic–Jewish sci. exchange
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Re: Rare eleventh-century astrolabe discovery shows Islamic–Jewish sci. exchange
#2This is... not a surprise. Jews have lived in Islamic countries for centuries, and had very good relations with their Islamic neighbors. In fact, there are many Jews with Arab origins living in Israel today. Unfortunately, after WWII, most Arab countries forced the Jews living there to leave (mostly to Israel).
There are minor Jewish communities in some Islamic states still, but in recent decades this is very rare (there is, obviously, a large minority of arabs, both muslims and christians, living in Israel. Yes, as first class citizens - I'm not talking about the occupied territories, but Israel within the 1967 lines).
Re: Rare eleventh-century astrolabe discovery shows Islamic–Jewish sci. exchange
#3This is... not a surprise. Jews have lived in Islamic countries for centuries, and had very good relations with their Islamic neighbors. In fact, there are many Jews with Arab origins living in Israel today. Unfortunately, after WWII, most Arab countries forced the Jews living there to leave (mostly to Israel). There are minor Jewish communities in some Islamic states still, but in recent decades this is very rare (t…
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Re: Rare eleventh-century astrolabe discovery shows Islamic–Jewish sci. exchange
#4This is... not a surprise. Jews have lived in Islamic countries for centuries, and had very good relations with their Islamic neighbors. In fact, there are many Jews with Arab origins living in Israel today. Unfortunately, after WWII, most Arab countries forced the Jews living there to leave (mostly to Israel). There are minor Jewish communities in some Islamic states still, but in recent decades this is very rare (t…
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More like, get a history book, please. Different things happened in different places, but your summary's not very accurate. (There weren't any Christian countries thousands of years ago, with Armenia converting about 1715-ish years ago, so I'm not sure how anyone – Jewish or otherwise – could've lived in them.)
Re: Rare eleventh-century astrolabe discovery shows Islamic–Jewish sci. exchange
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
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More like, get a history book, please. Different things happened in different places, but your summary's not very accurate. (There weren't any Christian countries thousands of years ago, with Armenia converting about 1715-ish years ago, so I'm not sure how anyone – Jewish or otherwise – could've lived in them.)
Could you please expand what is wrong with the comments upper in the thread?
I see the expression I think you referenced logically right: Jews lived for thousand years even if there were other religions there, Pagans (not Christians) included. That is any other faiths.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
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More like, get a history book, please. Different things happened in different places, but your summary's not very accurate. (There weren't any Christian countries thousands of years ago, with Armenia converting about 1715-ish years ago, so I'm not sure how anyone – Jewish or otherwise – could've lived in them.)
Many of those places were Christian or Zoroastrian or whatnot way before early Muslim conquests, look it up. And Jews lived there since before year 0
Re: Rare eleventh-century astrolabe discovery shows Islamic–Jewish sci. exchange
#7Probably most people ignore the good relationship between Jews and Arabs because it is not taught or communicated, sadly, often. They participated in math, medicine, astronomy, and philosophy.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
More like, get a history book, please. Different things happened in different places, but your summary's not very accurate. (There weren't any Christian countries thousands of years ago, with Armenia converting about 1715-ish years ago, so I'm not sure how anyone – Jewish or otherwise – could've lived in them.)
Could you please expand what is wrong with the comments upper in the thread? I see the expression I think you referenced logically right: Jews lived for thousand years even if there were other religions there, Pagans (not Christians) included. That is any other faiths.
The first one's fine: no objections there. The second comment is just misleading in so many ways it's hard to pick one.
Dividing the world into "Pagan countries" and "Christian countries" is both inaccurate (Jews weren't considered pagans) and overly-simplistic (state religions aren't a solid, fixed thing, especially over large areas before modern communication). While the Arab conquests were significant, not every Muslim country was converted "by the sword": there's even debate over whether the Muslim citizens of the early caliphates were, since such a small group, while large enough to conquer, would surely find it tricky to police the day-to-day behaviour and practices of so many people. (The Mongol Empire didn't manage to eliminate the practice of Islam in the areas under its control, despite ritual washing being punishable by summary execution, so it's plausible that Islam is just that persuasive.)
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More like, get a history book, please. Different things happened in different places, but your summary's not very accurate. (There weren't any Christian countries thousands of years ago, with Armenia converting about 1715-ish years ago, so I'm not sure how anyone – Jewish or otherwise – could've lived in them.)
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Re: Rare eleventh-century astrolabe discovery shows Islamic–Jewish sci. exchange
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
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More like, get a history book, please. Different things happened in different places, but your summary's not very accurate. (There weren't any Christian countries thousands of years ago, with Armenia converting about 1715-ish years ago, so I'm not sure how anyone – Jewish or otherwise – could've lived in them.)
right, there was no country called Iraq until recently. What I meant was not a political entity but a region where the modern state of Iraq resides, so you can call it Assyria/Babylon/Roman Empire/Greek Empire/British Mandate. Same for Iran, with countless empires but the region is the same.