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United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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in Dubai and whatever they’re doing this definitely working - over just the last month-ish we’ve had a 4-8 days of extremely heavy rains (and gov alerts to stay in), when just two years ago it’d be a surprise if it rained 3 days all year

That's actually climate change and the desert is prone for that. I don't think they are seeding these heavy rains as usually they can turn into a disaster.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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Based on this: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-arab-emirates/precipitat... I don't think it's working or making any real change.

There are two clues for this: 1. There is no mention of historical precipitation improvements in the article; and 2. If it was successful I'd expect more countries to be doing it.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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> The United Nations projects that by 2025, 1.8 billion people will face absolute water scarcity across the world. The Middle East stood out as one of the most water-stressed areas with around 83% of the population in the region prone to experiencing high levels of water stress. > Weather forecasters at the center can observe precipitation patterns in clouds and identify suitable clouds to seed, with the aim of incre…

The weather is not the problem. Overpopulation is. And it is a local problem, so limiting population elsewhere doesn't help.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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> The NCM said it does not use any harmful chemicals in its operations. “Our specialized aircrafts only use natural salts, and no harmful chemicals,” the organization told CNBC. How many times have companies been wrong about the harm chemicals they use in products have on humans and the rest of nature? How many times have they simply withheld knowledge of harmful chemicals in consumer products or outright lied? I thi…

It shouldn't be absolutely impossible to trust them. If ie those 'salts' are naturally occurring in atmosphere in already reasonable concentration (ie I am sure few atoms of uranium are roaming around me currently, but sure as hell I hope its just few and apart) and they just locally temporarily increase their concentration to seed droplets around dew point.

But that's probably about it, anything else and I agree with you.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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post #22

Based on this: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-arab-emirates/precipitat... I don't think it's working or making any real change. There are two clues for this: 1. There is no mention of historical precipitation improvements in the article; and 2. If it was successful I'd expect more countries to be doing it.

China practices cloud seeding. You find it being used in odd places, but it isn't very rare.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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post #24

> The NCM said it does not use any harmful chemicals in its operations. “Our specialized aircrafts only use natural salts, and no harmful chemicals,” the organization told CNBC. How many times have companies been wrong about the harm chemicals they use in products have on humans and the rest of nature? How many times have they simply withheld knowledge of harmful chemicals in consumer products or outright lied? I thi…

It shouldn't be absolutely impossible to trust them. If ie those 'salts' are naturally occurring in atmosphere in already reasonable concentration (ie I am sure few atoms of uranium are roaming around me currently, but sure as hell I hope its just few and apart) and they just locally temporarily increase their concentration to seed droplets around dew point. But that's probably about it, anything else and I agree wit…

I will do some reading up on the different techniques being used. I am just at a low point in my trust for companies at the moment.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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I imagine it would take a very serious effort to green up a hard desert like that, but it is well known that forests are capable of generating rain through photosynthesis and evapotranspiration.

Some large scale projects have already been undertaken, such as the restoration of the loess plateau in China, or the currently ongoing effort to establish a green belt across Africa to stop the Sahara desert from spreading southward.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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Cloud seeding is illegal in Utah, because you're taking rain that would have fallen on someone else's field and making it fall on your field. Water rights are a serious business here in the desert. It's not that we can't do these things, it's just that it's not always a good idea.

California & Nevada actively practice cloud seeding, I wonder if that affects Utah.

Re: United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain

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post #23

> The United Nations projects that by 2025, 1.8 billion people will face absolute water scarcity across the world. The Middle East stood out as one of the most water-stressed areas with around 83% of the population in the region prone to experiencing high levels of water stress. > Weather forecasters at the center can observe precipitation patterns in clouds and identify suitable clouds to seed, with the aim of incre…

The weather is not the problem. Overpopulation is. And it is a local problem, so limiting population elsewhere doesn't help.

You can call it overpopulation, I call it underdesalination. There is lot's of sun there and lot's of seawater.
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