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Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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Do you think this current AI hype machine came from something other than transformers?

No, but it is weird to use "modern" here. Modern suggest a longer timeframe. I would say machine learning deep NNs is modern AI. It's just not true that everything not transformer is outdated, but it is "kinda" true that everything not deep NN is outdated.

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Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think this current AI hype machine came from something other than transformers?

No, but it is weird to use "modern" here. Modern suggest a longer timeframe. I would say machine learning deep NNs is modern AI. It's just not true that everything not transformer is outdated, but it is "kinda" true that everything not deep NN is outdated.

The phrasing kinda makes sense to me.

Consider "modern" to mean NN/connectionist vs GOFAI AI attempts like CYC or SOAR.

I guess it depends on how you define "AI", and whether you accept the media's labelling of anything ML-related as AI.

To me, LLMs are the first thing deserving to be called AI, and other NNs like CNNs better just called ML since there is no intelligence there.

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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In Google's heyday, around 2014, I was talking with Uszkoreit about a possible role on his then NLP team. I asked "What would you do if you had an unlimited budget?" He simply said, "I do"

Nice story, but Google's heyday was probably 10 years before that. By 2014 the decline had already started.

A little after that. I'd put the heyday between 2003-2010, starting with the GMail launch and ending with the Chrome & Android launches. That period includes GMail, Maps, Scholar, Orkut, Reader, the acquisitions of Blogger/YouTube/Docs/Sheets/Slides/Analytics/Android, Summer of Code, OAuth, Translate, Voice Search, search suggestions, universal search, Picasa, etc. Basically I can look at my phone or computer and basically everything I routinely use dates from that period.

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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Transformer == Modern AI? Wow, I dont know where should I start My mind literally stuck at the absurdity

It's 2024; do we really have to point out the fact that publications take liberties with headlines? It's been that way forever. Besides that, are you denying that transformers are the fundamental piece behind all the AI hype today? That's the point of the article. I think the fact that a mainstream publication is writing about the Transformers paper is awesome.

Modern AI is such a big term that its way off the scale of normal click-baiting...

Modern AI should anything after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_workshop Not transformer

AI has been people's dream since written history. i.e., everyone in their own sense would want to invent something that can do things and think for themselves. That's literally the meaning of AI.

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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> Not only were the authors all Google employees, they also worked out of the same offices.

Subtle plug for return-to-office. In-person face-to-face collaboration (with periods of solo uninterrupted deep focus) probably is the best technology we have for innovation.

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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post #68

And none of them still work for Google. It’s truly baffling that Google’s CEO still has a job after how badly he fumbled on AI.

I'm not 100% sure I agree...

Google is an ad company at the end of the day. Google is still making obscene amount of money with ads. Currently Gen AI is a massive expense in training and running and is only looking like it may harm future ad revenue (yet to be seen). Meanwhile OpenAI has not surpassed that critical threshold where they dominate the market with a moat and become a trillion dollar company. It is typically very hard for a company to change what they actually do, so much so that in the vast majority of cases its much more effective (money wise) to switch from developing products to becoming a rent seeking utility by means of lobbying and regulation.

Simply put, Google itself could not have succeeded with GenAI without an outside competitor as it would have become its own competition and the CEO would have been removed for such a blunder.

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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Transformer == Modern AI? Wow, I dont know where should I start My mind literally stuck at the absurdity

Do you think this current AI hype machine came from something other than transformers?

Current AI hype comes from GPT

Transformer+Scaling+$$$ triggered the current hype

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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post #68

And none of them still work for Google. It’s truly baffling that Google’s CEO still has a job after how badly he fumbled on AI.

Their wildest success at Google would have meant the company's stock price doubling or tripling and their stock grants being worth a couple million dollars at most. Meanwhile all of them had blank checks from top VCs in the valley and the freedom to do whatever they wanted with zero oversight. What exactly could Sundar have done to retain them?

It would have gone much better for Google if the Brain team had been permitted to apply their work, but they were repeatedly blocked on stated grounds of AI safety and worries about impacting existing business lines through negative PR. I think this is probably the biggest missed business opportunity of the past decade, and much of the blame for losing key talent and Google's head start in LLMs ultimately resides with Sundar, although there are managers in between with their own share of the blame.

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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post #20

Of note: “ Six of the eight authors were born outside the United States; the other two are children of two green-card-carrying Germans who were temporarily in California and a first-generation American whose family had fled persecution, respectively.”

Why would that be of note, especially in America? I think it would be an interesting observation in China or Japan, or some other country which is generally less welcoming to immigrants than the US

With the current state of Visas for the US, most countries are now more welcoming to migrants.

Re: The Google employees who created transformers

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but it is weird to use "modern" here. Modern suggest a longer timeframe. I would say machine learning deep NNs is modern AI. It's just not true that everything not transformer is outdated, but it is "kinda" true that everything not deep NN is outdated.

The phrasing kinda makes sense to me. Consider "modern" to mean NN/connectionist vs GOFAI AI attempts like CYC or SOAR. I guess it depends on how you define "AI", and whether you accept the media's labelling of anything ML-related as AI. To me, LLMs are the first thing deserving to be called AI, and other NNs like CNNs better just called ML since there is no intelligence there.

But that's been the case for the last 60 years. Whatever came out in the last 10 years is the first thing deserving to be called AI, and everything else is just basic computer science algorithms that every practitioner should know. Eliza was AI in 1967; now it's just string substitution. Prolog was AI in 1972; now it's logic programming. Beam search and A* were AI in the 1970s; now they're just search algorithms. Expert systems were AI in the 1980s; now they're just rules engines. Handwriting recognition, voice recognition, and speech synthesis were AI in the 90s; now they're just multilayer perceptrons aka artificial neural nets. SVMs were AI in the 00s; now they're just support vector machines. CNNs and LSTMs were AI in the 10s; now they're just CNNs and LSTMs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

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