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Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
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Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#142From the "about us" page: > Plant Based News is a mission-led impact media platform focused on elevating the plant-based diet and its benefit to human health, the planet, and animals. And > The world’s leading scientists agree that time is running out in the fight to stop the climate crisis. Shifting away from an animal-based food system is one of the most impactful ways we can slow global warming. It’s also a critic…
What are you calling them out for? A bias against torture and violent industrialized murder of sentient life?
There is more to eating meat than supporting industrial "murder". And to be frank, industrial agriculture ain't much better for animals and the Earth.
One can reduce their impact on this planet without becoming a (hypocrite) zealot, unless you can convince me you don't have a car, avoid any form of plastics, avoid pesticides, avoid processed vegan food, do not import avocadoes, natto and tofu from overseas etc.
We can both play this game, or we can be just a little more pragmatic and a little less dogmatic.
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#143From the "about us" page: > Plant Based News is a mission-led impact media platform focused on elevating the plant-based diet and its benefit to human health, the planet, and animals. And > The world’s leading scientists agree that time is running out in the fight to stop the climate crisis. Shifting away from an animal-based food system is one of the most impactful ways we can slow global warming. It’s also a critic…
This summary article may be biased, but note that the cited paper has been peer reviewed and was published in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-05517-3 .
Shouldn't that be the article reference then? Since that is both the source and not biased.
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually the big evolutionary advantage of humans is that they can thrive on a wide range different diets. Unlike other animals we can almost eat everything.
We are not the only omnivores, but I think it is an underappreciated trait of humans. I believe that a lot is written about what is a healthy diet, but in reality, as long as there is no obvious excess or deficiency, and you don't have a specific disease, then any diet can be healthy. Vegan, carnivore, paleo, keto, kosher, whatever... even junk food. The human digestive system is very good at working with anything yo…
> I believe that a lot is written about what is a healthy diet, but in reality, as long as there is no obvious excess or deficiency, and you don't have a specific disease, then any diet can be healthy.
Except the SAD standard american diet.
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#145From the "about us" page: > Plant Based News is a mission-led impact media platform focused on elevating the plant-based diet and its benefit to human health, the planet, and animals. And > The world’s leading scientists agree that time is running out in the fight to stop the climate crisis. Shifting away from an animal-based food system is one of the most impactful ways we can slow global warming. It’s also a critic…
I am not sure what do you mean to say. This looks very transparent and consistent. A company that has clear values and transparently states them in its "About Us" page, explaining what they believe in and why they exist. What is to take with a grain of salt?
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#146From the "about us" page: > Plant Based News is a mission-led impact media platform focused on elevating the plant-based diet and its benefit to human health, the planet, and animals. And > The world’s leading scientists agree that time is running out in the fight to stop the climate crisis. Shifting away from an animal-based food system is one of the most impactful ways we can slow global warming. It’s also a critic…
I am not sure what do you mean to say. This looks very transparent and consistent. A company that has clear values and transparently states them in its "About Us" page, explaining what they believe in and why they exist. What is to take with a grain of salt?
Disclosing your (potentially conflicting) interests does not automatically mean you've not been biased/incentivized to discover particular findings, pharmaceutical research is full of examples
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are you calling them out for? A bias against torture and violent industrialized murder of sentient life?
There is more to eating meat than supporting industrial "murder". And to be frank, industrial agriculture ain't much better for animals and the Earth. One can reduce their impact on this planet without becoming a (hypocrite) zealot, unless you can convince me you don't have a car, avoid any form of plastics, avoid pesticides, avoid processed vegan food, do not import avocadoes, natto and tofu from overseas etc. We ca…
Ah yes, the ideal solution fallacy.
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are you calling them out for? A bias against torture and violent industrialized murder of sentient life?
There is more to eating meat than supporting industrial "murder". And to be frank, industrial agriculture ain't much better for animals and the Earth. One can reduce their impact on this planet without becoming a (hypocrite) zealot, unless you can convince me you don't have a car, avoid any form of plastics, avoid pesticides, avoid processed vegan food, do not import avocadoes, natto and tofu from overseas etc. We ca…
It seems like you're angrily describing an ideal that you would be ecstatic to achieve, but have no confidence you could ever reach. Just the fact that you _know_ what is hypocrisy (e.g. imported avocados) is a move in the right direction. Without a sense of the ideal, how could you be pragmatic? I think there will always be a vanguard of humanity that is willing to push towards the ideal -- that drags the rest of us pragmatists kicking and screaming into the future.
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are you calling them out for? A bias against torture and violent industrialized murder of sentient life?
There is more to eating meat than supporting industrial "murder". And to be frank, industrial agriculture ain't much better for animals and the Earth. One can reduce their impact on this planet without becoming a (hypocrite) zealot, unless you can convince me you don't have a car, avoid any form of plastics, avoid pesticides, avoid processed vegan food, do not import avocadoes, natto and tofu from overseas etc. We ca…
> There is more to eating meat than supporting industrial "murder".
99% of the meat grown in America comes from factory foods. Despite this, every time the horrible treatment of animals is brought up online all of a sudden everyone is getting their meat from farms where the cows get a message twice a day. Statistically, there isn't much more. I still eat meat, very little these days, but lets be honest about it. Your final 'whataboutisms' don't help either. None of that matters. The truth about meat in America, at least, is undeniable.
Re: Study puts fermented foods, not fire, as pivotal moment in human brain growth
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
but we can, you can perfectly fine live on raw meat (pork back fat) nuts etc. And Guts also shrank because they could. It sounds to me like this part mostly came after we learned to cook, then the body didn't need to waste energy on large complex guts. Hugely complicated brains such as Elephants & Whales do just fine on raw food diets.
Erectus are about 2 million years old, and they already had "our" body shape.. i.e. small guts. The question has always been - did they already know how to cook? It's somewhat early for fire control. But it is one of the arguments for the idea that fire/cooking came much earlier than we have physical evidence for. This study/idea about fermented food is exactly about this - if there wasn't fire that early, could it h…
Some of it makes sense.
The question why & when humans gut could start to shrink. It seems more the other way around in my view, brain development helped develop cooking & other preparation methods and in turn to the need for less complicated guts.